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Bernie Sanders on guns #6797837
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Re: Bernie Sanders on guns [Re: Desertambition] #6797873
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So if I read that right, Bernie opposes mandatory buy-backs because they're unconstitutional. But he supports voluntary buy-backs.

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Originally Posted by James
So if I read that right, Bernie opposes mandatory buy-backs because they're unconstitutional. But he supports voluntary buy-backs.

Jim



Sanders has supported gun rights. Clearly, there are those who misrepresent facts or plain lie. Wake up people, find out for yourself, look stuff up! Don't let people play you for a fool or bully you into thinking some way. I see a lot of bullying that goes on here, much of it I think is really a lack of information/knowledge.

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If you want your guns taken away then vote for Biden, that is a sure bet.
Originally Posted by James
So if I read that right, Bernie opposes mandatory buy-backs because they're unconstitutional. But he supports voluntary buy-backs.

Jim


I am not sure I understand the comment. Ummm... Yeah if I want to sell my gun I should be able to. No one should force me to get rid of my gun.

Re: Bernie Sanders on guns [Re: Desertambition] #6797906
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Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington.
Expand background checks.
End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
Prohibit high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Implement a buyback program to get assault weapons off the streets.
Regulate assault weapons in the same way that we currently regulate fully automatic weapons — a system that essentially makes them unlawful to own.
Crack down on “straw purchases” where people buy guns for criminals.
Support “red flag” laws and legislation to ensure we keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and stalkers
Ban the 3-D printing of firearms and bump stocks


From Bernie's campaign website. https://berniesanders.com/issues/ The heading is gun safety

Looks like confiscation or get a class 3 license to me.

I read about the National Socialist Workers Party in school. Most people call them Nazi's. Their workers paradise began with disarming civilians too


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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bernie has bragged about his D- NRA rating for years. In this video bernie sander's campaign manager clearly explains that the gun buy backs are not going to be voluntary if bernie is elected president.



Keith

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington.
Expand background checks.
End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
Prohibit high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Implement a buyback program to get assault weapons off the streets.
Regulate assault weapons in the same way that we currently regulate fully automatic weapons — a system that essentially makes them unlawful to own.
Crack down on “straw purchases” where people buy guns for criminals.
Support “red flag” laws and legislation to ensure we keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and stalkers
Ban the 3-D printing of firearms and bump stocks


From Bernie's campaign website. https://berniesanders.com/issues/ The heading is gun safety

Looks like confiscation or get a class 3 license to me.

I read about the National Socialist Workers Party in school. Most people call them Nazi's. Their workers paradise began with disarming civilians too


What you posted about Bernie is true, all I am saying is that he is better than Biden, by a long shot.

On the other hand, you must think people are stupid or are trying to mislead them by comparing NAZIs to socialism. Trying to associate Nazis with socialism is misleading and disgusting because they had socialist in their name. You are a sad individual for doing that. I think that cowards lie and mislead people. I know many people get confused or do not know the difference between Communism and Socialism. Some people actually think that because the Soviet Union called themselves communist they were actually communist, which they were not! That is where much of the lies about socialism and communism come from. When Sanders talks about socialism he is not talking about the former Soviet Union, but people like you would like for them to believe that. When he is talking about socialism he is speaking about programs that benefit society, like having health care for everyone. It really disgusts me to watch people get bullied and mislead.

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As for the video, I think too many crazy gangsters have guns and they should not have them. There has to be a balance, are you saying a criminal should be able to go into walmart and pick up a .45? I think most reasonable people would say no.

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Originally Posted by Desertambition
As for the video, I think too many crazy gangsters have guns and they should not have them. There has to be a balance, are you saying a criminal should be able to go into walmart and pick up a .45? I think most reasonable people would say no.


You obviously have no to little mental connection to reality since you believe I could be saying that by just posting that video . You appear to be in bad need of mental help to help you get back in the real world. Go get the help you need.

Keith

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Why not? Drugs are illegal. You cant buy heroin at walmart but anybody that wants some has it. Why not keep dangerous people in prison or mental hospitals instead of thinking a store clerk will keep crazies from being armed?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Everyone can not and should not have a gun. I think the world would be a better place if more responsible people owned guns. The problem is that there are crazy people out there. What I can say is that the measures they are trying to implement now do very little to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. But if you ask me would I rather have a gangster with a criminal record have to go through a background check as opposed to walking into Walmart and buying a gun then going to go kill someone. Yeah, I am ok with that. There has to be a balance.

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P.S. Hitler was a socialist. Crazy as a loon too. Just like anyone else who thinks the world owes them anything.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Originally Posted by Desertambition
Everyone can not and should not have a gun. I think the world would be a better place if more responsible people owned guns. The problem is that there are crazy people out there. What I can say is that the measures they are trying to implement now do very little to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. But if you ask me would I rather have a gangster with a criminal record have to go through a background check as opposed to walking into Walmart and buying a gun then going to go kill someone. Yeah, I am ok with that. There has to be a balance.


No one asked you that. It is not normal human behavior to assign real people questions that you created and to assign them beliefs they have not proposed at all. You seriously should seek psychiatric help. You may very well be schizophrenic.

Keith

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Dambition do you own a gun?

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Dambition do you own a gun?



LOL I own several.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Desertambition
Everyone can not and should not have a gun. I think the world would be a better place if more responsible people owned guns. The problem is that there are crazy people out there. What I can say is that the measures they are trying to implement now do very little to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. But if you ask me would I rather have a gangster with a criminal record have to go through a background check as opposed to walking into Walmart and buying a gun then going to go kill someone. Yeah, I am ok with that. There has to be a balance.


No one asked you that. It is not normal human behavior to assign real people questions that you created and to assign them beliefs they have not proposed at all. You seriously should seek psychiatric help. You may very well be schizophrenic.

Keith


No one asked you either, perhaps it is you that needs psychiatric help?

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From the Mayo Clinic.

"Overview
Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling.

People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment. Early treatment may help get symptoms under control before serious complications develop and may help improve the long-term outlook.

Symptoms
Schizophrenia involves a range of problems with thinking (cognition), behavior and emotions. Signs and symptoms may vary, but usually involve delusions, hallucinations or disorganized speech, and reflect an impaired ability to function. Symptoms may include:

Delusions. These are false beliefs that are not based in reality. For example, you think that you're being harmed or harassed; certain gestures or comments are directed at you; you have exceptional ability or fame; another person is in love with you; or a major catastrophe is about to occur. Delusions occur in most people with schizophrenia.
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist. Yet for the person with schizophrenia, they have the full force and impact of a normal experience. Hallucinations can be in any of the senses, but hearing voices is the most common hallucination."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354443

Good luck. I hope you get the help you need.

Keith

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Originally Posted by KeithC
From the Mayo Clinic.

"Overview
Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling.

People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment. Early treatment may help get symptoms under control before serious complications develop and may help improve the long-term outlook.

Symptoms
Schizophrenia involves a range of problems with thinking (cognition), behavior and emotions. Signs and symptoms may vary, but usually involve delusions, hallucinations or disorganized speech, and reflect an impaired ability to function. Symptoms may include:

Delusions. These are false beliefs that are not based in reality. For example, you think that you're being harmed or harassed; certain gestures or comments are directed at you; you have exceptional ability or fame; another person is in love with you; or a major catastrophe is about to occur. Delusions occur in most people with schizophrenia.
Hallucinations. These usually involve seeing or hearing things that don't exist. Yet for the person with schizophrenia, they have the full force and impact of a normal experience. Hallucinations can be in any of the senses, but hearing voices is the most common hallucination."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354443

Good luck. I hope you get the help you need.

Keith


Are you that frail Keith? When someone disagrees with you then they must be crazy? Are you one of those guys that believe that the earth is flat too?

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if you want soicialism in this country that is your right. but i my founding fathers had a name for people like you or any other freedom haiting man that hates the 2A. a TORY is what you are. if you dont think men and women in this country wont stand up for what is right and fight the tyrants that have risen in this great land you are rong. i took a oth to suport and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. you my friend and all these soicialist democrats are a domestic enemy. dont think for once true americans wont fight this with there last drop of blood and when the gun smoke setles and america is set free again. i promise there will be a rope shortage. call me a bully you are a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)!

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Originally Posted by Desertambition
Everyone can not and should not have a gun. I think the world would be a better place if more responsible people owned guns. The problem is that there are crazy people out there. What I can say is that the measures they are trying to implement now do very little to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. But if you ask me would I rather have a gangster with a criminal record have to go through a background check as opposed to walking into Walmart and buying a gun then going to go kill someone. Yeah, I am ok with that. There has to be a balance.


Who watches the watcher who decides who is ok to have a gun? Any one that disagrees with the government, abortion, medical care is a right. No guns for you. It's a slippery slope with a moving goal post with the goal of total disarmament of the population. History dose not lie tyrants want a monopoly on force and once they get it mass murder soon follows. Everyone can one a gun and everyone should it's their right.

News flash criminals don't buy their guns from license dealers they steal them or buy them off the street. If laws stoped people from commiting crime and worked you would think that someone would make a law making murder illegal. That will solve the problem.

I bet you think a felon should not have a gun? I say that felon did his time so either he is safe to be on the street or not. If he is safe to be on the street than he also has the same God given right to self defense. If he is not safe enought to have a gun than he is not safe enough to be on the street. It dosen't take a gun to kill someone. Infact the noise makes it a poor choice. Have you ever used say an axe handle to dispatch animals in your traps? Notice how quick easy and quiet it is. People are more fragile than animals.

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