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Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809327
03/19/20 11:57 PM
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I saw that too !! Someone need an orange jump suit. The problem..........well ONE problem, is that it is not illegal for congress-members to trade on inside information.

I don't know that that is the correct characterization but Burr clearly tried to present a rosy picture while selling stock.

Of course he is a "never-Trumper" so that shouldn't surprise us.


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Re: A recession? [Re: white17] #6809330
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Pretty hard to ask 300 plus million to toe the line and work together when the ones making the laws are crooks themselves.

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Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809340
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AMEN brother !!


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Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809361
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They need to crack down on the insider trades in the white house as well as wall street make it an even playing field. Im sure their will be plenty that buy back in at the right time. Who says you can't time the market

Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809365
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Actually, I think insider trading should be completely legal. It helps determine the true value of a stock. Why should all information NOT be known ?? But it should NOT be illegal for you & me but legal for congress members

I don't believe anyone can time the market


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Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809384
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In 1977, a race horse, “Seattle Slew”, won three major races. It was a remarkable accomplishment and remains an important part of horse racing history. Yet, I know a man who’s father knew a man, and my friends dad went and purchased 100 tickets at each race. He of course won all these bets, as well as a few others. He was foresightful though, and he commissioned an artist (the one who did Babe Ruth at Yankee Stadium) to create and cast 100 Seattle Slew replicas. He then made and sold them with winning tickets of each race attached to the base. As shown in the pic. So impressed with this entrepreneurial spirit was the race tipster, that he introduced my friend’s dad to another friend. There he received interesting advise on investing and the markets. Something to do with all his horse winnings. Needless to say my friend has enjoyed a life few experience. He gave half his inherited wealth away many years ago. Yet today he is valued at more and has continued to spend more and give more each year. He also owns more today than he originally inherited. “I never question if it’s rigged. I just wanna pick the right winner.” As my friend says.


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Re: A recession? [Re: cat_trapper_nv] #6809391
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Originally Posted by cat_trapper_nv
I don’t have a lack of money. Doesn’t mean I can’t have the desire for the wealth gap to be fixed and affordable medical for everyone. Socialism isn’t a poor person thing. It’s for everyone.



Our grandparents went to war to fight communism. Our idiot youth are now voting for it.






You should visit with some escapees from Cuba, Venezuela, Russia. They all tell similar stories.










Try this one on for size :






Upon migrating to the United States many years ago, I embraced my new home and left the past behind. Never could I imagine that, at some point, that past would become relevant.

But now, I am compelled to talk about it again.

In the USSR, we had state-controlled media which shaped the narrative entirely.

Our founder, Vladimir Lenin, was portrayed as a noble, charismatic, and smart man -- the champion of the underdog (the working class), the seeker of equality, defeater of the rich. The humble man with common ideas who was destined for greatness.

Lenin peered at us intently from textbooks and walls. His was the face behind the good intentions that shaped our everyday life.


As a kid, I was largely shielded by my family -- they took the brunt of "adult tasks" in everyday life. They bribed officials to accomplish the most basic of things, they conserved every kopek and piece of bread, they got me the rare medicines I needed, all through means I didn't dare fathom.

Of course, there was nothing special about those medicines, those favors, or anything else that took such effort to obtain -- in America, you can just go out and get it in a corner store. In the Soviet Union, the word "deficit" was commonly used in everyday language.

"This and this product are in deficit." This meant that you couldn't buy them. Maybe for the next three months or maybe forever, unless someone was bribed or the product was obtained via the black market, friends, or contraband. Fruits and vegetables had their "seasons" when they made an appearance in local stores -- we didn't have advanced technology like hydroponic farms.

Instead, adults were herded into collective farms, which were the Soviet antithesis of family -- or individual-owned farms. Under cheerful banners of "accomplishing a five-year plan in four," they usually underperformed and the bureaucrats responsible faked the numbers, which moved up the chain of command.

"Deficit." I heard this term a lot, as I stood in long lines for bread and milk in stores with cheerfully generic names like "Progress" or "Sunrise."

The lines resembled those formed by hipsters in America lining up for the sale of the next iPhone model -- except we stood in them every day.

As much as my family shielded me from their troubles, they couldn't protect me from factors beyond their control. They couldn't raise my level of living above theirs. And they certainly couldn't get me anesthetics for dental visits. Sitting in the gray, sterile corridor for two hours, hearing the sobbing of the kids already in the dental chair as their teeth were drilled without anesthetics, water, or suction, and knowing that your turn was coming -- some handled it better than others.

In the local clinic, needles were resterilized and reused. Ambulances took three hours to arrive, if they came at all.

That was our "free" healthcare.

We also lived in a "free" apartment, which was suffocatingly small by American standards, and it took years, if not decades, for an average couple to obtain such a place. Usually, several generations of a family lived under one roof until the government bestowed upon its citizens another gray five- to sixteen-story building that looked just like its gray neighbor and had the same exact green-painted swings in the yard.

Since almost nobody had cars, people could rarely afford to move to another city or republic.

Public transportation, which we all had to use, consisted of cranky people squeezed tightly like sardines inside a rusty box on wheels. Despite that, when I was eight, I wanted to be a trolley bus driver. Partially because of all the buttons he flipped to open and close doors, but mostly because there was a wall between him and the sardine can.

The walls in Soviet apartments were poorly insulated from noise and cold. Therefore, wall carpets were dominant in Soviet culture. They all looked similar, usually colored red with abstract, curving patterns.

Soviet factories were state-controlled. Variety was not a concept. The color red was all over the place -- it garnished the banners hanging off the sides of gray five-story buildings, with profiles of Lenin, Marx, and Engels fluttering lightly in the wind, proclaiming that "Marxism-Leninism is the symbol of our times." Others stated, "Forward toward Communism!"

Red was splattered on our classroom walls and our school uniforms.

In grade school, you became an "Octyabronok" (named after the October 1917 revolution) and wore a Lenin-faced star on your lapel. You got a free newspaper, the "Young Leninist." Later, you became a "Pioneer" and swapped the star for a red tie. After that, you moved on to "Komsomol" (All-Union Leninist Young Communist League). Those who did not follow the groupthink enough to make it to "Komsomol" lost access to crucial resources and careers later in life.

I grew up with no concept of "brands." If I wanted to get that shoddy water pistol that suddenly appeared in a store, and my parents let me, then that was the water pistol. It broke in two weeks, of course.

Bread in the stores was the bread. Milk was the milk. Kolbasa was the kolbasa. Everything was manufactured by the state to provide the minimum required survivability, and minimum expected functionality. Improvements in design and the manufacturing process did not exist.

When I came to America and laid down on an American bed, it struck me that it was more comfortable than any bed I'd ever experienced. It was the result of evolving design oriented toward customer satisfaction -- a concept alien to my former homeland.

The two famous brands of Soviet cars, Zaporozhets and Moskvich (both named after their places of origin), just... existed. We didn't really have Zaporozhets 1980 followed by a new and improved Zaporozhets 1981 -- now with power steering! No such thing. It was a car, and it required no further improvement. There was no customer demand, because people were poor, the state-controlled prices were very high, and product evolution crawled at snail's pace.



The very concept of "customer convenience" did not exist. We didn't have bottles sculpted to fit the shape of your hand, nor did we have polite cashiers, for they were under no obligation to please anyone -- they worked for the state. The abacus was still in common use in our stores while American stores had electric change machines, credit card readers, and sliding doors.

Like most things, clothes were in "deficit" and thus traveled from older to younger siblings in every family over time. Broken things weren't thrown away but repaired.



Our giant lamp television was carried in the family since about the time I was born. It received three channels -- all State-controlled. On our evening news program, the Chernobyl disaster announcement was calm and lasted fifteen seconds. Our state papers, such as Pravda and Izvestia, were not read but used as invaluable sources of free toilet paper. This is not a joke.

Our propaganda put the big focus on the noble working class and how there was no such thing as a "lower" profession. Much emphasis was made on the nobility of simple working man, and certainly there is something to that.



But when the janitor receives roughly the same salary as a teacher who is paid roughly the same as a surgeon who is paid roughly the same as a programmer, all of them surrounded by peers who get paid the same no matter how well or poorly they perform, some people start carrying the team, and then they just give up. Everyone performs poorly in the end.



It was painfully obvious to everyone just how low the desire of the average person is to produce goods for other people. Without competition or opportunity to get ahead, with the state controlling production and paying equal salaries to workers regardless of their contributions, we had no concept of abundance.

With our "free" services, we regularly experienced water and electrical outages and sometimes went to a nearby forest to get water. Once you fill that bathtub with water, you can't use it for anything else.

The first time I entered an American food market at the age of seventeen, I froze.

Older Soviets who visited American stores for the first time, got hit harder -- all the lies they were taught from childhood through the decades of their lives -- until that last moment, they expected them to be at least partially true.

Sure, they heard stories from overseas, but come on, those were just the Potemkin villages, mirages created to make the Soviets jealous. How can one imagine the unimaginable?



"They told us in Odessa, that in San Francisco it's hard to find milk."

This is the typical Soviet mentality, and they were used to it, and they bought into it, and then they entered that American supermarket and saw the rows upon rows of milk of different brands and kinds and fat percentages.



This is where some have been known to cry. It is the realization that their lives were stolen from them by the regime. A realization of what could've been, if they had been lucky enough to be born in this place which, from everything they knew, could not possibly exist.



I now live in Northern California, in the heart of the Bay Area, thousands of miles away from my homeland.

And yet the poison of Soviet propaganda seeps through college dorms just as it did in Soviet classrooms.

Stop a random youth on the street and you'll find out what he thinks about capitalism (bad!) and communism/socialism (good!). Their favorite news programs are the "Daily Show" and the "Colbert Report," where comedians reinforce their brainwashing via short, catchy clips.

Walk through Berkeley and you will see wall graffiti of the same hammer and sickle that adorned the big red flags of the Soviet era.



This doesn't extend to just youths. People of all ages, even acquaintances that I otherwise respect and admire, are like this. They support the "progressive" leader Barack Obama, worship the nanny state, and believe in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

They badmouth capitalism and complain that only one percent of the American population has the "American dream." They buy into the class warfare rhetoric hook, line, and sinker. They want artificially raised minimum wage, government handouts, and believe that Obamacare is the greatest thing since the invention of pockets.



I look at them and the red ties materialize, familiarly, around their necks.

There are "academic" speakers now who advocate that having too many choices is "bad for you." Too stressful to choose, you see.

Living in the Soviet Union, being bombarded with similar nonsense, we had nothing to contradict it. When we walked outside the school, the everyday reality had no traces of the wealth afforded by capitalism. We lived in the grayness and that grayness was all there was.

Americans leave school to go home and they drop by a mall to buy something from an incredible selection of wealth and choice afforded by capitalism. They drop by a small corner store, which could probably feed a savvy Soviet village for a month (dog food is food, too, you know), and they pick up some "entertainment food" that did not exist in the USSR, in quantities that weren't affordable for an average Soviet family.

Then they go home and write essays on their expensive iPads about how they don't have the American Dream.



Now, most American news sources are no different than Pravda and Izvestia. Now, the government used the IRS to stifle political opposition. Now, ObamaCare is a wealth redistribution platform disguised as a common good. Now, Obama is being portrayed in academia and the media alike as a charismatic, messianic, "progressive" figure, fighting for the "underdog." He would feel right at home as the General Secretary of the Communist Party. Now, Obama Youths are me, from decades ago. Leninist academia has had its way with them. Now, just like Soviet leaders, American leaders give lip-service to "social justice" while stocking up on personal wealth for their families.

There's nothing new under the sun. I'm hardly the only ex-Soviet to point out the parallels. But some things matter enough to bear repeating.

Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809397
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This is what voting for liberals, and social justice gets you.





Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809400
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Keep voting for liberals.








Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809407
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I know after reading through some of these comments there is plenty of folks here that will never be welcome at my table... after I work myself to exhaustion day after day after day, I'll take my checks, cash them and live off what I got for my work I dont care what someone else has, if socialism makes it's way in this country we better get rid of the dead weight real fast or so everything the people before us died to protect will be just something our next generation reads about in a book or the internet

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They're crawling outta the woodwork lately ! Lol.

Re: A recession? [Re: cat_trapper_nv] #6809475
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Originally Posted by cat_trapper_nv
I do agree with some of Bernie’s thoughts. I’m not for all socialism but we do need to find out how to fix the wealth gap and a way for everyone to have medical assistance. And I’m not against guns, but we do need to figure something out to stop guns getting in the wrong hands.



Just enforce the laws we have now and that will solve the gun problem. Quit slapping there patties and leaving them out early.


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Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809476
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Since I voted for Bernie in the primary does that make me a liberal?


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Re: A recession? [Re: Bob_Iowa] #6809594
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
You have low fuel, nitrogen (if Koch wants), but the ethanol plants cant make money so they shut down one less place to sell, and then you lose the distillers grain which is used in most feed, and is a lot more efficient than feeding more shell corn and soybean meal.

Curious what we did with all this corn 10 years ago? I feed by products, on a small scale, not so much for efficiency but convenience.

Re: A recession? [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6809648
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We didnt have this much the acres are up, but not only that, the genetics have made the corn have better yields, you may not have over 200 bushels every year but the lows are much higher I farm some very rough ground and 10 years ago during a drought 80 acres would be 50 bushel to the acre now I average 140 bushel to the acre. Before people jump on me for raising corn on that its back in alfalfa production I have to raise corn on it to get it back into alfalfa production since we dont have a good small grain market.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Since I voted for Bernie in the primary does that make me a liberal?

Yes


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Re: A recession? [Re: Hydropillar] #6809707
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There are 500 million more people in the World then there was 10 years ago which means there is far more livestock , mostly pork and poultry then there was 10 years ago. Corn yields go up about .75 to 1.5 bushels per acre per year on average over the last two decades. Corn acres varies mostly based on weather, a wet cool spring less corn, more beans, the price of beans, wheat and cotton also impact acres as well. Also one of the values or curses if you will of the market is to establish pre-season prices for commodities. When the market wants more of x the futures prices goes up and fewer acres of y and z etc. are planted. So even if many producers don't contract their production the market does dictate a lot of what may be planted or not planted.

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Yes Bryce the market does dictate to some people however there people here in Iowa including myself that will not raise soybeans, not just because they’re a pain to raise but also here we can make more money in corn because our bean yields are so poor. Yes there are more people and more pigs raised, unsure about chickens myself, but in the hog market we have over production now thats why we have a cash market in hogs around .30 to .40 cents and the futures have been down, before the virus stuff drove down all markets, here in Iowa hog barns are still built mainly because people are afraid they are going to put a stop to building new confinement buildings. What I hope for is high wheat and cotton prices to keep the southern and western guys planting those crops instead of corn.

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They came and took my sis' s pigs that they usually don't take until they hit 275. The pigs were only 240.

Big push right now.

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They have been doing that here for a while, here the main reason has been cost of production, the people that own the pigs have said that the extra 30 to 40 pounds isn’t cost effective, the packers here are on the fence if they like it or not, its easier to handle the smaller pigs but the total number of pigs has to go up to equal the total pounds of pork going out the other end of the plant.

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