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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815708
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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815709
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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: GROUSEWIT] #6815722
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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
[quote=crosspatch]Thank you Wissmiss and Lee Steinmeyer once again. You are both constant sources of info. based on logic and reason and first hand sourcing. You spare us the shooting from the hip that is all too common on this forum and a waste of cyberspace and all of our time. Please continue.


Spot on thanks for answering the questions you can.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815735
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As stated above, to me valuations would help hold the line on how much things are being sold below that. A small percentage below the valuation to me anyway is not a big deal but when stuff starts selling 25 or 50% below the estimated value is when I start asking questions. So yes that's why I would like to know what the difference between valuation and actual price paid. With that said I hope they have a fantastic sale and the next one is even better.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815756
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Imo valuations are only a ,,I hope to get price,, if you want them to hold the line ,,, no matter what only way of doing that is selling one on one. Besides theres only so much fur you can keep stored for long extend times in a market like we got.
Hopefully all will sell good everybody be sitting good.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815768
03/24/20 04:46 PM
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The FHA information sheet for remote auction bidders said that bids below valuation would not be accepted. Iím assuming the computer program is set up to reject those bids if a buyer tries to enter one.

Maybe I will play around and see what happens. I will report back later today.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815876
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I have 2 new accounts and both work fine, wasnt able to register until about a week ago but now good to go

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: kingrat] #6815896
03/24/20 06:23 PM
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China has basically worked their way through the virus and are about 90% or more back to work. That may be a positive for the auction. The larger issue may be their markets and are they going to be buying or not.

Bryce

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: Joe krogman] #6815906
03/24/20 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe krogman
Guess I'm guilty about switching this from top lot coon to coyotes, but it's better than politics and corona virus. Lol . Hope they have good clearances.

THATS OK , LOL we are talking fur at FHA , I hope we all do good for the times


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815937
03/24/20 06:49 PM
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I just got my new account number this morning after I requested it. Tried to register my account online and it's not letting me. Not sure what the problem is. I suppose I'll have to send them a help message.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815941
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Even if FHA did publish valuations for shippers to see, some of you still wouldnít be satisfied. Then you would complain that the valuations were too low and that FHA was giving the fur away and they ought to have higher limits and that the low valuations help the buyers buy fur cheaper. Yada. Yada. Yada. Blah. Blah. Blah.

You have to realize that FHA (and NAFA when they were in business) needs a starting point for selling each lot. It simply does NOT work to start every lot at a penny. The valuation is what the team at FHA thinks that particular lot of fur is worth. They base it on market, research, what the pelts are and what they think is a fair starting price. Some times they are spot on. Sometimes they arenít.

Iíve been in auction room where there is only one bid. A buyer raises his hand at the opening price. No one else bids and he buys that lot.

Iíve been in the auction room (in this when they selling wolves) and the opening valuation is $50.00. A minute or so later, the hammer goes down at $325.00. Was the valuation wrong. Not necessarily. Could just be that 2 buyers wanted that same pelt. Valuation didnít mean squat.

Back in the days before all this high tech stuff, you shipped your fur and 2 weeks after the auction you got a check and a grade sheet.none of this checking the computer every day looking for updates. Maybe we should do back to that system.................

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: trapperne] #6815950
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Originally Posted by trapperne
Showing valuations would do a ton of good, it would hold Fha accountable and a lot less easy to dump something. It make the buyers know you better come to bid and be reasonable and close to the valuations. It would probably reduce the yo-yo in prices we have seen for so long. We better not hear in a couple months how groeny came in and cleaned up what was left at the auction for less then what was being paid in the country


Not really if you are using NAFA as your example. They posted valuations for both buyer and seller but it didn't seem to make much difference.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815962
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I get it that the buyers need valuation for an internet auction like this one, so everyone knows where to start. But I did question the practice of providing valuation to buyers at a true auction format in the past. It seems like that should have been kept confidential to the auction house since they were not firm on it anyway, and often started bidding below valuation just to get rolling.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815970
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For you guys that can't log in. When you register your name and address it has to be exactly the same as your invoice. I tried a few times before I read the fine print. On the invoice it had Ave. after my street name.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815990
03/24/20 07:21 PM
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Correct me if wrong but isn't the fur still owned by the seller until the gavel drops or the buyer pays for the fur? Either way I just don't agree with the auction house keeping the sellers, (owners) of the fur in the dark and giving the buyers the valuation. Looks like to me the deck is stacked in the buyers favor.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6815996
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I guess if you can put together enough fur for a dealer lot you could set your own valuation.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6816036
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At the present time, FHA is not accepting dealer lots with limits. They made that announcement last winter when this whole NAFA thing started.

Dealer lots will sell for what ever valuation FHA puts on them or dealer goods will be intersorted.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6816053
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Thank you for your information Wissmiss, some member on here have a short memory of the happenings, and a lot of posters don't even have a skin in the game to start with.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6816077
03/24/20 08:18 PM
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I'm with Dirt-they should publish the valuations of all grades and sections before the fur pick up.
Allows a buisness man to make an informed decision about how he wants to market part or all of his fur collection.
Most trappers that market substantial amounts of fur and been around for a while doing so can pretty much know the valuation anyway from previous sales.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: novatrapper01] #6816087
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Originally Posted by novatrapper01
Fingers crossed for the sale. Hopefully it goes well.
Iím a little nervous about my big bear, hard to get any price on taxidermy items without actually putting your hands on them to check them out.
Might be the best thing since sliced bread! Hopefully


you will do well on bear like you have!

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