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My FHA fur is now posted #6810622
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I may have a top lot cooon? 4x A-b, I am rich now lol.

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40 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6811928
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SAD it use to be that a top lot coon would bring around $50 ? any guess on the top price on coon will be ? my guess is around $20, I know the avg. is all that matters.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6811936
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My third year shipping coyotes to Fur harvesters and still haven't got a heavy one.

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My third year shipping coyotes to Fur harvesters and still haven't got a heavy one.


Did you expect a few heavy yotes from Kansas or Mississippi...?


"And God said, Let us make man in our image Öand let them have dominion Öand all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812021
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I have had coyotes go heavy at NAFA from Kansas.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: Joe krogman] #6812072
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Originally Posted by Joe krogman
My third year shipping coyotes to Fur harvesters and still haven't got a heavy one.

What part of KS? Just checked and I had a few from the eastern side go heavy, most are semi though.

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Just check my account and I get an error. Been getting that all day.

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Always had a few heavy at NAFA. I trap in Marshall county.

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will they send me an account number or do I have to call them. This is the first time I shipped to them

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812146
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I sold for cash a month ago and am enjoying my hard earned money now!

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: cat daddy] #6812156
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Originally Posted by cat daddy
I sold for cash a month ago and am enjoying my hard earned money now!

Amen to that ,,, me too


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Originally Posted by Joe krogman
Always had a few heavy at NAFA. I trap in Marshall county.

I think coyotes on different years have the ability to be heavy or semi's from your part of the world.
Or the grade does change with the market


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: backroadsarcher] #6812189
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Originally Posted by backroadsarcher
Just check my account and I get an error. Been getting that all day.


Same here. frown

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812193
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Joe, I only have a couple heavys too. Ks ain't known for lots of heavys. One of the reasons you had more heavys at nafa was they were cheating the grade, trying to get more money in their coffers last spring. Understand they had some fur returned from manufacturers becaus of it too. Their cataloges last year had a very high persentage of the coyotes graded as heavys.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812196
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Daryl and backroadsarcher, If you keep getting it, call or email them, be best to talk with them, and have them help you straighten it out.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812372
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I am getting the "fatal error" message also.
Before that it looked like one half my coyotes were heavy II and half were eastern--none in central.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812378
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fatal error for me also...system overload I would think

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: red mt] #6812399
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by cat daddy
I sold for cash a month ago and am enjoying my hard earned money now!

Amen to that ,,, me too

Me too


Wish I had more time to trap....
Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6812422
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All the HVY coyotes grade for MS coyotes at NAFA , maybe one of the reasons they are now bankrupt ?

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I was surprised at how closely my coyote graded to previous NAFA grades (or sections). Had 25% in Hvy 1 section, about 50% in Hvy 2 (SEMI grade) and 25% Eastern (with Hvy grade).

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I think FHA has NAFAs old coyote grader now. Correct me if I'm wrong though. That is probably the reason for similar grading.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: red mt] #6812791
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by cat daddy
I sold for cash a month ago and am enjoying my hard earned money now!

Amen to that ,,, me too


You guys might be crying after the FHA sale. whistle

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Someone will be


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I hope FHA. Hits a home run and everyone is happy. I sold the majority of mine to Petska and Grony,

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You guys might be crying after the FHA sale. whistle[/quote]

Boy I hope so ,,, I hope have the best sale they have had in years myself ,,, only way you can keep trapping is if sell good everybody makes alittle.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6813177
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Joe, I only have a couple heavys too. Ks ain't known for lots of heavys. One of the reasons you had more heavys at nafa was they were cheating the grade, trying to get more money in their coffers last spring. Understand they had some fur returned from manufacturers becaus of it too. Their cataloges last year had a very high persentage of the coyotes graded as heavys.

tired AMEN!

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Thats weird,I was on another site where everyone was saying their yotes were downgaded last year at NAFA,lol.

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I don't know how this sales is going to go but it sure is nice to be talking about lotting, grading and fur auctions rather than that other crap.

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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Joe, I only have a couple heavys too. Ks ain't known for lots of heavys. One of the reasons you had more heavys at nafa was they were cheating the grade, trying to get more money in their coffers last spring. Understand they had some fur returned from manufacturers becaus of it too. Their cataloges last year had a very high persentage of the coyotes graded as heavys.

i have 1 heavy coyote , how did this go from top lot coon price to a heavy coyote ? lol


40 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
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Still getting fatal error this morning. Anyone else still getting this?

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I just called a couple of minutes ago and the gal said they hoped to get it back online by the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by TRAPPER-ED
Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Joe, I only have a couple heavys too. Ks ain't known for lots of heavys. One of the reasons you had more heavys at nafa was they were cheating the grade, trying to get more money in their coffers last spring. Understand they had some fur returned from manufacturers becaus of it too. Their cataloges last year had a very high persentage of the coyotes graded as heavys.

i have 1 heavy coyote , how did this go from top lot coon price to a heavy coyote ? lol


Only took 3 posts to switch from coon to coyote, and the first two were yours. smirk
Thanks for starting the FHA thread anyway.

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Thank You Sanford!!

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Originally Posted by TRAPPER-ED
I may have a top lot cooon? 4x A-b, I am rich now lol.


Back to the coon topic, does anyone know which section is FHA best coon? Thinking maybe West HVY?

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Maybe FHA caught the NAFA virus? eek


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Originally Posted by Sanford Otte
I just called a couple of minutes ago and the gal said they hoped to get it back online by the end of the day.

X2! I called this A.M. She said call back. Remember they are on EST.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: walleye101] #6814033
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by TRAPPER-ED
I may have a top lot cooon? 4x A-b, I am rich now lol.


Back to the coon topic, does anyone know which section is FHA best coon? Thinking maybe West HVY?


Yes typically the top lot is in the western heavies. Look for a lot that has very few in it and are A selects. Usually between 20-40 skins. LLL


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My coyotes graded about 1/3 as heavies at FHA, for the last few years at NAFA, they were running about 50%. To my untrained eye, the 1/3 seems accurate as hanging side by side in the garage, that's about what I came up with.


Antelope, the original fast food!!
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My account is back online.

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Can finally look at mine. Looks like the grading is a little different this year.?.?

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Originally Posted by backroadsarcher
Can finally look at mine. Looks like the grading is a little different this year.?.?


Yes, I agree.

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Anybody know the order of sale?

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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by backroadsarcher
Can finally look at mine. Looks like the grading is a little different this year.?.?


Yes, I agree.


How so?

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Originally Posted by teepee2
Anybody know the order of sale?


Most likely catalog order. I believe beaver is first thing up.

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Got into mine at around 5 PM. First time reading FHA grades and sizing so will wait until they sell to see the differences in sizes and grades. My 3x-2x and xl sizes were about as they normally are percentage wise. I felt I had more smaller rats this year, but there were more XL rats so yes a few less 3x-2x but about 35% of the total.

Bryce

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Wissmiss,
Are you a registered buyer and able to view the sale?

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Wissmiss,
Are you a registered buyer and able to view the sale?


Yes. However, I am not able to share information with any one. The bidding is confidential and not to be shared. Not worth losing my buyer account at FHA. Sorry.

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Guess I'm guilty about switching this from top lot coon to coyotes, but it's better than politics and corona virus. Lol . Hope they have good clearances.

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The bidding is confidential...? Is this something with this expedient virtual sale or something that FHA does on a regular basis?? How then does a seller even know there's bidding going and its not FHA's version of NAFA's "private treaty" sales...?


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Originally Posted by wissmiss
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Wissmiss,
Are you a registered buyer and able to view the sale?


Yes. However, I am not able to share information with any one. The bidding is confidential and not to be shared. Not worth losing my buyer account at FHA. Sorry.


Thanks, I figured you were. and didn't expect you to be sharing of bidding during the sale.
But I am curious as a new shipper what to expect for updates. Does FHA update trapper account pages during the sale, or as each species catalog is completed, or does that all come after the sale is complete?

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As far as I know, this is the first online auction they have had. Not many other choices with the flu shutting everything down. Manufactures needed products, I am told, and want some way of buying. That is the best they can do, so lets hope things sell well. I doubt you will find out much on prices till after the sale, because it will be in a format more like ebay, where it can be bid on up till a certain date and time. Please be patient, as there is a lot riding on this sale, and with the success of other internet sales, this could be our best shot with the cards that have been delt this season with this kung flu. Good luck everyone!


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When is sale. It was postpone I understood.

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Originally Posted by coonman220
When is sale. It was postpone I understood.

Nobody knows. That's the thing. It's like surprise sale. Nobody knows it's happening until it already happened and nobody knows what the bids are until after the sale. It could be this week it could be next month

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The remote auction at FHA starts tomorrow (Tuesday) morning at 8 AM eastern time. It ends April 2 at 5 PM eastern time.

Any one that is a registered buyer can check the bidding at any time. It is going to work sort of like an auction on eBay. The bidding will start at the FHA valuation. If a buyer wants to bid, he logs into his account and enters a bid. The auction catalog is updated with the new bid and shows a code number for the high bidder. If there arenít any bids, then the valuation will show with no buyer code listed.

Bidding at the auction will be in established increments. Which depends on species and amounts. Here is an example.

Muskrats - if the bid is under $10.00, the bid increment is 10 cents. Once the price is over $10.00, the bid increment is 25 cents.

Valuation on #1 small muskrats is $1.00. The next bid is $1.10. The next bid is $1.20. Then $1.30. Just like in the auction room.

There wonít be much for shippers to see until the auction is over and accounts are updated when the auction is over.

Remember, this is the first time FHA has had a remote auction. There is always there is a chance there will be glitches, but I hope not.

I would be happy to answer any question about how the auction is going to work but will not discuss values, bids or anything similar.

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Will be interesting to see how this sale goes. Curious how confident buyers will be about buying goods without seeing them. I've heard lots of times that the grades and catalog doesn't necessarily represent what the fur really is. So I can only figure that confidence will be low. I wouldn't think they would be holding the sale unless they think the can move some goods though.
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AkMike makes a very good point about buyer confidence in the grade. There was a point in time, many years ago, where you could buy goods at FHA sight unseen based on the catalog description. In more recent years, that has not always been the case.

When it comes to the more expensive goods, such as wolves, wolverine, better lynxcats, there is good reason to be cautious. However, on goods such as Section III goods or goods like beaver. Muskrat, Raccoon, where the market is so poor, a buyer can almost afford to gamble on submitting a bid without seeing the goods.

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One other note, FHA is not accepting any bids below valuation during their remote auction.

If the value is $20.00 and a buyer bids $18.00, the bid will automatically be rejected.

This is different from a live auction. In the auction room, the auction stand may or may not accept a bid below valuation. Depending on the item and grade.

That should be a comfort to you that think this might be a fire sale.

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Thank you Wissmiss and Lee Steinmeyer once again. You are both constant sources of info. based on logic and reason and first hand sourcing. You spare us the shooting from the hip that is all too common on this forum and a waste of cyberspace and all of our time. Please continue.

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Hey wissmiss, are you able to share with us if there is actual bidding going on for certain species? No values, but just knowing that there is some demand and bidding happening would be reassuring.

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Best of luck to all with fur on this sale. Really hoping this goes good.


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Fingers crossed for the sale. Hopefully it goes well.
Iím a little nervous about my big bear, hard to get any price on taxidermy items without actually putting your hands on them to check them out.
Might be the best thing since sliced bread! Hopefully

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So as a shipper do any of you know what your valuations are?
Do you even know what lots your fur Is In?

Good luck

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Beav yes our the lots are posted and viewable on our account info the valuations..no

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Thanks crosspatch. Nancy has been involved in the buying end for many years, and knows the auction protocol very well. She is a book of knowledge, and we can all thank her for sharing with us. I've been a trapper all my life, bought fur for a few years back in the boom years, and have been an agent for 22 years. Both of us can add a little different perspective to the discussion.

One thing that bothers me on this forum is the amount of people that spout the doom and gloom. The negetive comments, spouted off like a prophet, just become a cancer that effects the whole fur industry. We all know times are tough for fur, so try to have a better outlook on it! thanks, Lee


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I'm a realist. I think FHA is a motivated seller. Time will tell. Sorry for the doom and gloom.


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Gary, no valuations to the trapper. Only buyers see valuations. What good does it do to see them, doesn't change what you can do, and the fur brings what is bid, with or with out valuations.

The lot numbers are listed on each fur or furs on yoour readout. You can go to the catalogs to find where your fur is and in what section or string.


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The valuations tell me where FHA thinks the market is. It tells me if FHA is a viable option. Why keep it from sellers?


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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer


One thing that bothers me on this forum is the amount of people that spout the doom and gloom. The negetive comments, spouted off like a prophet, just become a cancer that effects the whole fur industry. We all know times are tough for fur, so try to have a better outlook on it! thanks, Lee


Very true!!!

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Dirt, that still won't do you any good. You will find out what it brought after, and if you have sent fur, there is no getting it back or changing anything. If that give you peace of mind, you to attatched to a computer!

It is just more busy work that needs to get done with no worth.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
The valuations tell me where FHA thinks the market is. It tells me if FHA is a viable option. Why keep it from sellers?

Because they'd have a million calls with guys complaining that their raccoons are worth more etc. Or God forbid something sold for a dollar less than the valuation than omg fire sale. It would be nothing but a headache for them.

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It would have value to me. I won't explain. Thanks to lee and wissmiss for info.


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As far as reporting auction action, Iím thinking there wonít be much to report. Remember the auction lasts for 9 days. Until April 2. Bids will trickle in over that period of time. Watching this auction will be like watching paint dry.

It will be the exact opposite of a live auction, where lots sell at a rapid pace.

Right now I am trying to log in to the auction. Having problems finding the bidding site. DONíT panic. Lots of time to figure it out.

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Nancy If I give you my lot numbers could you please bid them up for me?

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Originally Posted by Horse Creek Fur
Originally Posted by Dirt
It would have value to me. I won't explain. Thanks to lee and wissmiss for info.

It lets you know the flow. Are they holding to their numbers? Doing better than they had assessed? Why is more transparency bad. I donít hold any ill will, I just agree with Dirt and disagree with Lee. I see why Lee thinks the way he does. I hope he can see my point. NAFA did a lot of things we didnít know about. Iím not in the ďthe less you know, the betterĒ camp.


I agree with both of these posts.

I have fur that will hopefully go on the next sale so yes I would like to see a valuation.


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Folks that have used FHA in the past, were you able to see valuations prior to the sales?

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Folks that have used FHA in the past, were you able to see valuations prior to the sales?


Nope

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Originally Posted by kingrat
Nancy If I give you my lot numbers could you please bid them up for me?


Unfortunately no. Sorry.

If I do it for you, then everyone would ask and it would be overwhelming for me.

In my opinion, the reason FHA doesnít post valuations on shippers accounts is that in a down market like this, valuations upset shippers. And upset shippers tend to call and complain. This creates more work and time spent for the FHA staff. Yes, shippers are important but at this stage of the game it is more important to answer buyers questions so that they feel confident bidding.

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I'm sorry guys, it don't make any sense. You will have the results of the sale on your account, long before you have to send your fur for the next sale, the LRD was the 19 of April, and it was pushed back at least two weeks. Don't need valuations to make a decision about sending fur.


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Showing valuations would do a ton of good, it would hold Fha accountable and a lot less easy to dump something. It make the buyers know you better come to bid and be reasonable and close to the valuations. It would probably reduce the yo-yo in prices we have seen for so long. We better not hear in a couple months how groeny came in and cleaned up what was left at the auction for less then what was being paid in the country

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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Thank you Wissmiss and Lee Steinmeyer once again. You are both constant sources of info. based on logic and reason and first hand sourcing. You spare us the shooting from the hip that is all too common on this forum and a waste of cyberspace and all of our time. Please continue.



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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
[quote=crosspatch]Thank you Wissmiss and Lee Steinmeyer once again. You are both constant sources of info. based on logic and reason and first hand sourcing. You spare us the shooting from the hip that is all too common on this forum and a waste of cyberspace and all of our time. Please continue.


Spot on thanks for answering the questions you can.

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As stated above, to me valuations would help hold the line on how much things are being sold below that. A small percentage below the valuation to me anyway is not a big deal but when stuff starts selling 25 or 50% below the estimated value is when I start asking questions. So yes that's why I would like to know what the difference between valuation and actual price paid. With that said I hope they have a fantastic sale and the next one is even better.


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Imo valuations are only a ,,I hope to get price,, if you want them to hold the line ,,, no matter what only way of doing that is selling one on one. Besides theres only so much fur you can keep stored for long extend times in a market like we got.
Hopefully all will sell good everybody be sitting good.


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The FHA information sheet for remote auction bidders said that bids below valuation would not be accepted. Iím assuming the computer program is set up to reject those bids if a buyer tries to enter one.

Maybe I will play around and see what happens. I will report back later today.

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I have 2 new accounts and both work fine, wasnt able to register until about a week ago but now good to go

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China has basically worked their way through the virus and are about 90% or more back to work. That may be a positive for the auction. The larger issue may be their markets and are they going to be buying or not.

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Originally Posted by Joe krogman
Guess I'm guilty about switching this from top lot coon to coyotes, but it's better than politics and corona virus. Lol . Hope they have good clearances.

THATS OK , LOL we are talking fur at FHA , I hope we all do good for the times


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I just got my new account number this morning after I requested it. Tried to register my account online and it's not letting me. Not sure what the problem is. I suppose I'll have to send them a help message.

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Even if FHA did publish valuations for shippers to see, some of you still wouldnít be satisfied. Then you would complain that the valuations were too low and that FHA was giving the fur away and they ought to have higher limits and that the low valuations help the buyers buy fur cheaper. Yada. Yada. Yada. Blah. Blah. Blah.

You have to realize that FHA (and NAFA when they were in business) needs a starting point for selling each lot. It simply does NOT work to start every lot at a penny. The valuation is what the team at FHA thinks that particular lot of fur is worth. They base it on market, research, what the pelts are and what they think is a fair starting price. Some times they are spot on. Sometimes they arenít.

Iíve been in auction room where there is only one bid. A buyer raises his hand at the opening price. No one else bids and he buys that lot.

Iíve been in the auction room (in this when they selling wolves) and the opening valuation is $50.00. A minute or so later, the hammer goes down at $325.00. Was the valuation wrong. Not necessarily. Could just be that 2 buyers wanted that same pelt. Valuation didnít mean squat.

Back in the days before all this high tech stuff, you shipped your fur and 2 weeks after the auction you got a check and a grade sheet.none of this checking the computer every day looking for updates. Maybe we should do back to that system.................

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: trapperne] #6815950
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Originally Posted by trapperne
Showing valuations would do a ton of good, it would hold Fha accountable and a lot less easy to dump something. It make the buyers know you better come to bid and be reasonable and close to the valuations. It would probably reduce the yo-yo in prices we have seen for so long. We better not hear in a couple months how groeny came in and cleaned up what was left at the auction for less then what was being paid in the country


Not really if you are using NAFA as your example. They posted valuations for both buyer and seller but it didn't seem to make much difference.

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I get it that the buyers need valuation for an internet auction like this one, so everyone knows where to start. But I did question the practice of providing valuation to buyers at a true auction format in the past. It seems like that should have been kept confidential to the auction house since they were not firm on it anyway, and often started bidding below valuation just to get rolling.

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For you guys that can't log in. When you register your name and address it has to be exactly the same as your invoice. I tried a few times before I read the fine print. On the invoice it had Ave. after my street name.

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Correct me if wrong but isn't the fur still owned by the seller until the gavel drops or the buyer pays for the fur? Either way I just don't agree with the auction house keeping the sellers, (owners) of the fur in the dark and giving the buyers the valuation. Looks like to me the deck is stacked in the buyers favor.


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I guess if you can put together enough fur for a dealer lot you could set your own valuation.

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At the present time, FHA is not accepting dealer lots with limits. They made that announcement last winter when this whole NAFA thing started.

Dealer lots will sell for what ever valuation FHA puts on them or dealer goods will be intersorted.

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Thank you for your information Wissmiss, some member on here have a short memory of the happenings, and a lot of posters don't even have a skin in the game to start with.

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I'm with Dirt-they should publish the valuations of all grades and sections before the fur pick up.
Allows a buisness man to make an informed decision about how he wants to market part or all of his fur collection.
Most trappers that market substantial amounts of fur and been around for a while doing so can pretty much know the valuation anyway from previous sales.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: novatrapper01] #6816087
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Originally Posted by novatrapper01
Fingers crossed for the sale. Hopefully it goes well.
Iím a little nervous about my big bear, hard to get any price on taxidermy items without actually putting your hands on them to check them out.
Might be the best thing since sliced bread! Hopefully


you will do well on bear like you have!

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I also have a bunch of bears there and same thing I cant see to many guys wanting to buy them without seeing them firsthand first

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Bump-

Can't let this one slip off the page. We finally have a fur auction topic with more posts than all the CV crap.

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This is important that everybody has hopes and dreams, but we really won't get any useful information (hopefully) in two or three weeks, right before the April 19 deadline.


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In the mean time, any tidbits of information from those in the know will be appreciated.
Thanks

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I know one thing, its gonna be a long 9 days. Coulda made it a 3 day sale at least. Wonder why 9 days?

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Originally Posted by kingrat
I know one thing, its gonna be a long 9 days. Coulda made it a 3 day sale at least. Wonder why 9 days?

I'm not sure exactly how much difference it makes but if the dollar keeps dropping in value like it is nine days might not be a bad thing


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You would think that If someone wanted fur It wouldn't take 9 days to get It sold.

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I thought because of the time that they where only opening up certain lots for bidding not all of them at once. Sounds like all lots are open from bidding from the start. There goes my theory.

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Are they running all the lots of fur just like you would bid on something on ebay?

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Originally Posted by forestman3
Are they running all the lots of fur just like you would bid on something on ebay?



Yes, Buyers will bid on the lots they are interested in. All lots are for sale all day until the end of the sale..






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It was posted elsewhere, that no buybacks. If so, dont sound like a sale I want to be into, with covid crisis, it nice to have all sold. But nafa buybacks were. Sold at better prices later

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Dave, I would guess if no one bids on a specific lot (value set to high) it would be "bought back" and re offered later, possibly at a reduced valuation.






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I assume there will be plenty of unsold goods at this FHA auction. Lots that no one bids on. Those would be considered Buy Backs.

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Wissmiss hows the castor being sold? do they have broken into lots or like the live auction its PT after?

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Well I would call them unsold goods since no money changed hands. But buy backs sounds better. LOL


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Originally Posted by Saskfly
Wissmiss hows the castor being sold? do they have broken into lots or like the live auction its PT after?


Castor will be sold Private Treaty once the remote auction is over. That pretty much has been the pattern previous years. Castor will be graded into 3 lots. Select. Ordinary, Shells/lows. It will be priced per pound or ounce (not sure which FHA uses). Buyers can buy as much as they want at the established price.

I have no idea how many castor buyers FHA will have. Could be dozens. Maybe one guy comes in and buys it all.

Will be posted to your online account some time in April or when ever the sale happens.

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yep like years past then, was just curious if they changed it up due to the online E-Bay style auction. thanks for the quick responses.

Without getting into details hows the volume of bids? would imagine it would be slow the first couple of days and hopefully pick up as the auction nears its end.

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Originally Posted by kingrat
I know one thing, its gonna be a long 9 days. Coulda made it a 3 day sale at least. Wonder why 9 days?


They took into consideration that they thought that Saskatchewan was still all dial-up internet, so it would take 9 days for you to download info.

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Someone posted an i was told that they didn't want buybacks? I am thinking that impossible not to

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FHA would like to sell everything. But they know that isnít going to happen. Iím willing to bet that not even half the goods get sold. That is just my opinion.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: Northof50] #6817262
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Originally Posted by kingrat
I know one thing, its gonna be a long 9 days. Coulda made it a 3 day sale at least. Wonder why 9 days?


They took into consideration that they thought that Saskatchewan was still all dial-up internet, so it would take 9 days for you to download info.


And here I thought it was because they knew it would take that long to sell all the crappy fur from east of Saskatchewan. Lol.

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Sure glad I sold it the country a month ago and am now enjoying the money that my fur brought!

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Originally Posted by cat daddy
Sure glad I sold it the country a month ago and am now enjoying the money that my fur brought!


Thanks for your two posts (you posted the same on page 1 last Saturday) on the subject that are exactly the same......informative contribution to the subject!!

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Intermission. I have to get more popcorn.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: wissmiss] #6817520
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
FHA would like to sell everything. But they know that isn’t going to happen. I’m willing to bet that not even half the goods get sold. That is just my opinion.

x2 on that


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This could be the second time, in my 13 years of sending to the auction houses. That I would have done better selling in the country, Maybe?


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I think anyone that sent fur to this auction should'nt judge FHA on the success of this sale. The world is in upheaval, equity markets are shot (at least for now) retail fur sales in all of Asia fell flat on their face this winter, Asia was CG's hope for market expansion this year. And, last but not least, how can you buy fur without looking at it yourself or at least through a broker you have trust in? I wish them great luck as we don't need another North American wild fur auction to fold.

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pray and Hope for the best is all we can do


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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
I think anyone that sent fur to this auction should'nt judge FHA on the success of this sale. The world is in upheaval, equity markets are shot (at least for now) retail fur sales in all of Asia fell flat on their face this winter, Asia was CG's hope for market expansion this year. And, last but not least, how can you buy fur without looking at it yourself or at least through a broker you have trust in? I wish them great luck as we don't need another North American wild fur auction to fold.


X2

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LLtrapper posted "What I have been told is that it is a sale not an auction. If you were to call and offer the full price, it is yours. Greg told me there were two types of buyers on this sale. The ones who wanted fur and the Chinese and GFW. Don't kill the messenger. That is what he said. He also said the latter were getting the dial tone....No fire sale in other words. LLL"

How many people have fur marked as sold that was shipped up this year? I saw where some posted they did.


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Mark, the fur marked as sold, is fur they sold PT before the current sale. Nothing will be posted till after the second of April.

For you guys that were aurguing about valuations. I spoke with Les Barnes, the old nafa agent here in Ks the other day. I mentioned that nafa must have really spoiled everyone. He ask, how so. I told him about the thread here. He said you are all blowing smoke, that nafa had quit that at least eight years ago, because it caused too much extra work and did nothing but cause controversy! So there you have it, it ain't gonna happen!


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Well hes full of agit because it was posted the last few sales you just needed to know where to look. So ya someone is blowing smoke alright.

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Originally Posted by kingrat
Well hes full of agit because it was posted the last few sales you just needed to know where to look


Is that the guy that helped bankrupt some company in Canada?


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Lee, So it was sold before the auction, even though it was shipped to be put on this auction? I can see left over good being sold pt, but not stuff that has never hit the floor. So do we have a bidding auction, like ebay or a sale going on? LLtrapper says Greg said its a sale, not a auction.


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Here are NAFA valuations from Jan-2019 We all know how this turned out.
ACCOUNT_ID VARIETY VARIETY_FR SEX LOT BREEDER GRADE GRADE_SORT
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434034 N SEL 15 XXL 20 12
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434046 N SEL 15 XXL 20 10
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434058 N SEL 15 XXL 20 8
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434133 N I-II 30 XXL 20 7
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434188 N I-II 30 XL 25 5
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434661 N SEL 15 4XL 10 19
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434670 N SEL 15 3XL 15 10
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434675 N SDA 28 4XL 3XL 10 12
92554 RACCOON RATON LAVEUR N 434685 N I-II 30 4XL-3XL 10 9.5
92554 LYNX CAT LYNX ROUX N 435153 N I 20 LGE 30 100 1

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6819279
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Mark, the fur marked as sold, is fur they sold PT before the current sale. Nothing will be posted till after the second of April.

For you guys that were aurguing about valuations. I spoke with Les Barnes, the old nafa agent here in Ks the other day. I mentioned that nafa must have really spoiled everyone. He ask, how so. I told him about the thread here. He said you are all blowing smoke, that nafa had quit that at least eight years ago, because it caused too much extra work and did nothing but cause controversy! So there you have it, it ain't gonna happen!


That info from les is wrong, nafa put valuations on the shippers fur. You had to know where to look.

Hard to believe the amount of people that are ok with being treated like a mushroom by fha.
Your probably right about not gonna happen though.


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I tried to post on this right after kingrats response, then lost it. I got better things to do than argue about it, and I will let Les know and thank him for the eroneous info. Still don't change things, Fur Harvesters ain't gonna do it just because a few guys seem to think it's so important. I've told you my opinion, you have told me yours, I'm done with it!


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Ok fair enough.

I am also done here after I post one more thought.
To the folks reading this, when is the last time you sold something and had no idea what the asking price or the approximate valuation was on the item that you were trying to sell???

I trust fha to a certain point, but I prefer the trust but verifie route.
As in I trust fha but i would very much like some verification on valuation in print to make sure they really do have my best interest in mind.
After all dosen't Fha say they are owned by trappers and run by trappers??? Shouldn't they be able to do better at keeping the trapper and the owner of the fur in the loop a little better?? Or no??
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Will the shipper ever actually know what his or her fur was valued at before the sale?


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In my opinion it was foolish to let anyone know valuations on a live auction. The only one that needs to know is the auctioneer, to drop the hammer or not.

This internet sale I see the need to post it so buyers know what is the starting bid, and they will not accept any less.

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Originally Posted by MJM
Lee, So it was sold before the auction, even though it was shipped to be put on this auction? I can see left over good being sold pt, but not stuff that has never hit the floor.


That used to happen frequently at NAFA where some fresh lots would be sold private treaty prior to the auction. My experience was that those pre auction deals were usually at premium pricing.

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Well when NAFA had their auction you could hear the starting price And I assume that was the starting valuation.


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When there was competative bidding in the room the starting price was usually close to the sale price on the previous lot. But yes, when the room was silent the starting price was valuation as they went through pages of buy backs.

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Originally Posted by walleye101


This internet sale I see the need to post it so buyers know what is the starting bid, and they will not accept any less.


BINGO!!

For this FHA remote sale, the valuation is posted in the catalog the registered buyers use to bid. The valuation is the starting point for bidding. The computer program will NOT accept bids below the FHA limit.

Auction company valuations are the auction companyís opinion of what the fur is worth. It may be spot on. It may be too high. It may be too low.

The only thing that will happen if shippers know the valuations, is that the number of phone calls to FHA will increase. And for the most part, they will be upset phone calls.

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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by walleye101


This internet sale I see the need to post it so buyers know what is the starting bid, and they will not accept any less.


BINGO!!

For this FHA remote sale, the valuation is posted in the catalog the registered buyers use to bid. The valuation is the starting point for bidding. The computer program will NOT accept bids below the FHA limit.

Auction company valuations are the auction companyís opinion of what the fur is worth. It may be spot on. It may be too high. It may be too low.

The only thing that will happen if shippers know the valuations, is that the number of phone calls to FHA will increase. And for the most part, they will be upset phone calls.

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Yes but the shippers never know what the valuation is or if if changes during the the sale or auction . Up

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Originally Posted by The Beav
Will the shipper ever actually know what his or her fur was valued at before the sale?

Not that I can see. I guess if it sells, they will know what it brought.


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Hey wissmiss- I know you weren't going to mention any specific lots or people's lots but if this on-line auction is like ebay, you should be able to see if people have bit on lots or not. At least from the a sellers side, I know which of my auctions have a bid on it or not. Now, you could probably commit without talking about specific lots or prejudicing any biding by saying, "yeah, I see a good number of lots that have a bid" or "lot of lots don't appear to have any bids on them". Otherwise, this is going to stay really boring until next Thurs evening...


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I was thinking of asking the same thing, let's say coyotes, is there lots of offers, beaver,rats etc,
Anything you can give us....I'm going crazy

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It is still very early. On eBay, lots of people wait until the last minute to bid. Probably will be the same way with this auction.

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So that's a nice way of saying theres no bids boys...?

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Wissmiss. You have GREAT patience. Thanks

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Look guys. Iím between a rock and a hard place. I check the online auction once a day, just to see what is going on. I would love to share trends and general details with all of you. But I canít. frown

I emailed FHA about this situation and the reply I got back from Mark Downey (CEO) said that anything going on with the on line auction is confidential. No reason given. He further indicated that posting information about the on line auction could result in the cancelling of my bids - yes I am bidding on a few things - and the closing of my account.

Not worth the risk, as far as Iím concerned. So all of you wondering about how the sale is going will just have to patiently wait another.4 days.

If FHAs response changes, I will let you know. In the mean, try to find something to do besides wonder about the sale. Look towards May, when hopefully it will be a live auction from North Bay and you will be able listen in real time.

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Thanks for the update Wissmiss.
Now If I do this right; 4 ice cubes go into tonights drink.
Then 3 ice cubes in tommorrows.
then 2 cubes
Then one.
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NAFA has posted the March 2020 private treaty catalogs if anyone is interested.

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It is still very early. On eBay, lots of people wait until the last minute to bid. Probably will be the same way with this auction.


That doesn't fit all models of how people bid on ebay. If an item is "hot", there are often bids right away, and sometimes the bidding drama ends, for all real purposes, before the the final day. Often, a person is going to know things will be jumping when I get an offer of "what will it take for me to close the auction now?" Then there are the examples that wissmiss described, where the action goes up right at the end, especially the peeps that never bid until the last couple of minutes.

Thanks for the communication there wissmiss. I hope you make some trappers day on April 2!!


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Thanks wissmiss we totally understand and thanks, just going a little stir crazy.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
NAFA has posted the March 2020 private treaty catalogs if anyone is interested.


Do you have a link or a way to access the catalogs.

When I log into my NAFA account, it says Private Treaty catalogs are closed.

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I was just looking at them 1/2 hour ago. I'll check again.

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https://account.nafa.ca/page.asp?auction/catalogue

Not sure if this will work for you. I had to log in to get there.

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Much reduced Chinese New Year sales and the ranch mink glut did not get addressed substantively this year most likely. Corona has to have negatively affected other markets like S. Korea and Italy too as in who is buying in such uncertain economic times and the winter is over now anyway. Has to be lots of unsold inventory out there. We should brace ourselves then for poor clearances and not improved prices for this sale and the balance of this season. We have lots of company world wide as the only businesses not seriously negatively hit by Corona are those that supply essential goods and services.

Would be immensely pleasured if above does not happen but difficult to see otherwise. So people should at best have only modest expectations for this sale. And then buyers and brokers not able to travel to the sale has to be tough too - only so much can be expected of on line bidding especially for something like taxidermy goods.

More patience until next season is the short story I am suggesting and even then much of this year's goods still have to be absorbed. It is what it is.



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Talk to me about this FHA sale.

So FHA grades your fur places a value on that fur then places It In a lot with other fur with the same grade and value.
Lets say the lot # is 1111111 and that lot has 1000 select rats In It and the value Is $5.00. So any bid under $5.00 Isn't even considered. So we have 5 bidders for that lot and they all have bid $5.00 . The bidding closes at a certain time and we still have 5 bidders with the same price . So how do you pick the winner? Or do we go Into another week of PT?
Are these bids sealed or Is It open bidding where every bidder knows what the other bidder Is bidding?

The bottom line Is this If the trapper Is privileged to the valuation and privileged to the bidding there Is no way the trapper can effect the bidding since he's not bidding and he doesn't know the bidders and the bidders don't know the trapper. And If It's open bidding there Isn't any smoke and mirrors In play.
Come on people everyone In the sale knows what's going on but the poor trapper kind of like a mushroom being kept in the dark.


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What auction did you ever see where the auction accepts more than one bid of the same value. I bid the $5.00 minimum then the lot is mine unless you top my bid.

Every buyer sees the bids as they go up but not who is bidding - makes sense. So you bid $5.10 and I can see that (but not who you are) and the lot is yours unless someone else tops your bid.

And yes it would be nice if FHA could post how the process works and stop the speculation.

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Well they are telling us this Isn't a auction It's a sale. Like I said If the bidding Is closed and you have 5 bidders at the same price what happens?


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other fur auctions and other auctions let every one know what every one is biding and every thing their doing in the auction don't know why its top secret at fha if people see whats going on it will draw people in to sell threw them I was going to consign some furs for the next auction but after seeing how their operating I don't think I want any thing to do with them

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Sounds like any online auction, bidders can see what was bid. If a bid on a lot is 5 bucks and someone else wants to bid they would have to bid 5.01. Online auctions are huge, maybe this is the new normal.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Sounds like any online auction, bidders can see what was bid. If a bid on a lot is 5 bucks and someone else wants to bid they would have to bid 5.01. Online auctions are huge, maybe this is the new normal.


NAFA tried this once. Once!


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I don't think this would happen. But this sale Is different does the trapper get the hammer price when his fur Is sold or will he get the valuation? With all this smoke and mirrors the trapper has no idea what his fur was valued at from the get go.
I'm not saying that FHA is pulling a fast one but this secrecy crap Is getting a bit old.


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Beav- In the ebay world, if you're bdding on something, you typically put in what the max is that you will pay for an item. You then place a bid, either the initial or topping someone else. If you've topped someone else's bid, then their incremental "how much will you bid" kicks in, and thus the computers are bidding against each other until one (or more) top bid is maxed out. Then those bidders will get a note saying, "your top bid has been bested, do you want to revise what your top bid will be?". A bidder can then decided just to quit or revise their top bid. I've seen bids go 5x or more in the last few minutes. I've also seen an initial bid offered early in a week hold for the entire time. Typically, with ebay the next bid forward is a minimum of a quarter so Rat Materson's hypothetical win at $5.01 was probably someone bidding on an item that was $4.75 at the time the winner bid. The winner did the minimum quarter bid but added the penny as "insurance" to beat someone else just bidding the minimum. I've never had a "tie" with an ebay auction. It has either not sold or someone has "won".


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So "IF" there Is a tie what happens then? This isn't EBay.


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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by walleye101


This internet sale I see the need to post it so buyers know what is the starting bid, and they will not accept any less.


BINGO!!

For this FHA remote sale, the valuation is posted in the catalog the registered buyers use to bid. The valuation is the starting point for bidding. The computer program will NOT accept bids below the FHA limit.

Auction company valuations are the auction companyís opinion of what the fur is worth. It may be spot on. It may be too high. It may be too low.

The only thing that will happen if shippers know the valuations, is that the number of phone calls to FHA will increase. And for the most part, they will be upset phone calls.


I guess the sellers will have to hope their fur doesn't sell in the lot that got valued too low. I don't know how anyone else feels but I would hate to think that my fur and hard work went to a buyer that got a great deal and sells it at a later sale.

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It is impossible for 5 bidders to have the same bid at any point in the FHA auction. The system wonít allow it. End of story.

Bidder A is the first to bid on a certain lot. He bids the valuation, which is $5.00. His bid is accepted and recorded in the on line buyer catalog. His account number (not his name) is displayed by his bid.

Buyer B logs in and wants to bid on that Lot. He sees some one has already bid $5.00. IF he wants to bid on that Lot, his bid is $5.10. He bids $5.10, his bid now replaces Buyer Aís bid and his account number shows by that Lot.

Buyer C logs in and is interested in that Lot but only at $4.50. Since the bid is already over that, he doesnít bid and moves on to another lot.

Buyer A logs back in, sees that he is no longer the high bidder. He really wants that Lot, so he bids $5.20. His bid is accepted, the Lot is updated and his account number is now showing as the high bidder.

Would you like me to continue? I can keep this scenario going all day if needed.

FHA is running an online auction, very similar to eBay with a few minor differences. Perfectly legit.

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well every auction is different. there are no universal rules.



some of them the next bid can be a small advance, some are fixed, some a percentage of the current price.


usually spelled out in the fine print somewhere.

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Well That's what I wanted to know. But why doesn't this information come from FHA?


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nancy you posted while I was typing.

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Two more comments about my above post.

If a buyer logs in, there are no bids on a certain lot and the valuation is listed as $5.00. He only wants to pay $4.00. He attempts to bid $4.00 but the program doesnít accept his bid. He doesnít want to pay $5.00, so he moves on to another lot.

FHA (and NAFA when they were in business) has established bid intervals. Those intervals apply in the auction room as well as in the on line auction. The intervals depend on species and value.

For example, on muskrat, squirrel, ermine and a few other species, if the bid is under $10.00, the interval is 10 cents. $5.00, $5.10, $5.20, $5.30, $5.40, etc.

If the bid is over $10.00, the interval is 25 cents. $10.00, $10.25, $10.50, $10.75, $11.00, etc.

It is a bit more complicated with other species - more price breaks and more intervals. Would you like examples??

FHA emailed bidding instructions and rules to all registered buyers. Maybe they didnít post them for the general public because they didnít want to be inundated with phone calls and questions from people who werenít bidding. Iím sure they are getting enough emails and phone calls as it is. They have a limited staff and are trying to sell some fur.

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Ok but what happens if its snowing outside when buyer a bids and buyer c has a lemon tree in full bloom than what? Smoke and mirrors I tell ya. Smoke and mirrors. Oh look a squirrel.

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If there wasn't any fur they wouldn't be In business so shouldn't the person producing the fur have some knowledge of what's happing .
Why do we have to get It from a 2nd party? But thanks for your Input.


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If you want to market your own fur-go ahead and market it.
If you want to use the marketing services of an auction house-let them do their job and market your fur.
Once your fur is fine graded and intersorted at the auction house you have no say in what is done with it beyond that point anyway.
You can use the results to make an informed decision on how you want to market your fur in the future.

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I think with everything going on right now we need to joke around otherwise we'll end up like old boco.

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Seemed pretty hard grade on size for me on coon. Sent in 84 coon which measured 24-4X, 26-3X, 25-2X, 5-Xl, 3-L, 1-M They graded them 3-4X-3X, 22-3X, 27-2X, 22-Xl, 9-L, 1-M.

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Originally Posted by kingrat
I think with everything going on right now we need to joke around otherwise we'll end up like old boco.


Impossible !!

Nobody else could end up being that screwed up like BOCO !!!! laugh

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Well keep in mind hes French so it's only half his fault.

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Coonrich! I am in full agreement! The coon I sent up there were all over the map and I've never seen a fisher grade the the one I got on my batch! Consent anything ip there usually but spring beaver and cant say I'm thrilled about trying them with the rest of my stuff!

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As far as the online sale process, let's remember that just a couple of weeks ago they were still planning to have a live auction using NAFA's auction system. For them to pull this off at all was pretty impressive. If they hold the line with reasonable valuations they may not move much product, but I'm ok with that. Just a page or two back everybody was barking about a fire sale.

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This keeps up, cheese will outdo the shortage of tp

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FHA Rocks! Someone had to say it. Lots of good points being made. Sweltering in place is blossoming thought. I think we need FHA. NAFA can make a comeback if FHA is more secretive than trappers care for. I recall someone suggesting we donít make any strong opinions on FHA with this auction/sale. I agree but there will be plenty of thoughts on it. We should discuss it. And itís ok to disagree without being disagreeable. Hope that donít sound like Iím whining.

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See That,

He's definitely trying to hide something !!!! shocked

Boco's a Closet Frog !!! laugh

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Always have a couple fisher coon over last 20 years and I know I had a couple this years but none graded fisher this year. Not complaining on color grade just seemed like they downed sized alot of big coon. Scraped and stretched the same as years before plus had nicer coon this year less tick bits.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
As far as the online sale process, let's remember that just a couple of weeks ago they were still planning to have a live auction using NAFA's auction system. For them to pull this off at all was pretty impressive. If they hold the line with reasonable valuations they may not move much product, but I'm ok with that. Just a page or two back everybody was barking about a fire sale.


Obviosly they are motivated.


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I would say that if this online auction is something that will be done in the future, trappers will be able to check their lots and see how the bids are going. This was thought up and put in to play so fast that there was no way to get everything connected to trappers accounts. And all of this took place while they were dealing with thousands of new shippers. Iíve never had a complaint since I started sending fur to them. Not saying this sale is the answer but with everything going on I donít know if there is a good answer this year.
Just my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by coonrich
Always have a couple fisher coon over last 20 years and I know I had a couple this years but none graded fisher this year. Not complaining on color grade just seemed like they downed sized alot of big coon. Scraped and stretched the same as years before plus had nicer coon this year less tick bits.


I don't think any place knows how to read a tape measure anymore.

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Originally Posted by Horse Creek Fur
FHA Rocks! Someone had to say it. Lots of good points being made. Sweltering in place is blossoming thought. I think we need FHA. NAFA can make a comeback if FHA is more secretive than trappers care for. I recall someone suggesting we donít make any strong opinions on FHA with this auction/sale. I agree but there will be plenty of thoughts on it. We should discuss it. And itís ok to disagree without being disagreeable. Hope that donít sound like Iím whining.


We definitely need an international auction to continue. I see nothing good coming from one major fur buyer dominating the entire fur market.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Horse Creek Fur
FHA Rocks! Someone had to say it. Lots of good points being made. Sweltering in place is blossoming thought. I think we need FHA. NAFA can make a comeback if FHA is more secretive than trappers care for. I recall someone suggesting we donít make any strong opinions on FHA with this auction/sale. I agree but there will be plenty of thoughts on it. We should discuss it. And itís ok to disagree without being disagreeable. Hope that donít sound like Iím whining.


We definitely need an international auction to continue. I see nothing good coming from one major fur buyer dominating the entire fur market.


I agree with you. We also need local buyers. I remember back in the early eighties I could visit 4 different buyers within a 40 minute drive. Not to mention the ones that had routes coming around. They were around pretty frequent too. Not a couple times a season. Then the bottom fell out of the market. Some quit others lost the farm. Some went to work for others. Like NAFA. Working for Groenwold and so on. I sure hope through the present times we don't lose them like that again. I think we need as many options as we can get to market our fur. Remember competition is a good thing.

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I disagree with allowing the shippers to follow an online auction, especially the way this one is set up. There is almost nothing to follow. A shipper would log in every day and see no action (or very little) action on their account and it would drive them CRAZY!!

When you listen to a live auction, everything moves right along at a rapid pace. Every minute or so, they are on to a different lot. Plenty of action to follow. The entire sale is wrapped up in say 8 hours.

With this on line auction, the 8 hour live auction is spread over 9 days!! That is like taking one hour of a live auction and dragging it out for 24 hours. One word describes that - S. L. O. W

Fine, let the shippers see their valuations. Let them see the catalog when the sale is over. I canít think of any good reason to allow them to ďwatchĒ the actual auction.

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When I value an article,there are 2 things that are used,what they have been selling for on the last 3 sales,could be FHA or NAFA sales.This information is posted after each sale,buyers keep these records and use them for wild and ranch fur,trappers can do this also.
The second is demand verses inventory,this is the most important part of putting any value on an article.This has been a very hard year to read as there has not been a sale this year,the last wild fur sale was at NAFA in August of 2019,with mixed results.
This year we graded all the coon in Cambridge,I graded and adjusted sizes.For the 40 some years at grading coon the one complaint from buyers is that east,west north,south have different widths.Raccoon,regardless of section are sized on the same standard,narrow in the shoulders,7inch boards are all reasons to be down sized.
If you look at other articles,beaver-all sections sized the same,muskrats - 1 size and for all,mink coyotes ect. It all comes down to square inches,and by giving the raccoon sizes a standard will help all sections.Ican still remember when we had different sizing boards for each section,coat,semi ect.
We will post sale results on April 3rd,lets hope for the best.

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I understand Industry standards But.


How does a coon lose square Inches from how It's boarded?
If you use a narrow board you might lose width but that turns Into length. When that coon Is hydrated before tanning doesn't It have the same square Inches that It had when It was harvested and boarded?
Your not losing square Inches your just displaying them differently.


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Thanks for the update Greg.

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