Right out of the communist manifesto .

I do not know what to say to someone who thinks older folks having a mass die off is a good thing....

Marty,I know what to say---but I would be banned for life if I did.
Tom

Wow, you watch cnn, never woulda thought. (insert sarcasm font)

To stay on the topic of this thread, this graph needs a closer look.

At first glance, the differences in the curves look like one of three things is happening: 1. China is lying about the true numbers. 2. The virus has mutated into something more lethal. 3. There are differences in Asian and European genetics that make this virus more severe to different genomes.

One very important factor that this graph does not show is age. The medical community is very certain age is a huge factor with covid. While any of the three things listed above are certainly possible, age must be considered to give context.

The median age of Italy is the highest in Europe at 45.4 years. China's median age is 38.5 years. (us median age 37.9, south korea 41.2, Japan 47.3)
The average age of the fatalities in Italy is 78.5. I haven't been able to find average age of fatalities for other countries, maybe one of you knows.
Italy reports 99% of fatalities had at least one preexisting conditions. (I don't take this as some huge smoking gun because there is no information on what preexisting conditions they are talking about and I suspect most people have at least one condition they may not even know about)

When age is taken into account, the graph is interpreted a little differently.

There is more information coming out every day that will modify the numbers above. For instance, there have been cases of 1-15 year old age bracket in the US. Other countries did not see much, if any, of this.

It's a perfect balance . . . Fox on one end, CNN on the other. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, eh?

Pike River I find it funny after what you just wrote that in your bio you have family and bible listed as hobbies. So which older members of your family are you hoping die off? And when they do will you go set on the front pew and pray for them?

There may be one major flaw with comparing the death rates of COVID-19 vs. H1N1.
Many of those infected with COVID-19 do not show any symptoms, or the symptoms are so mild that they don't go in to get checked, and therefor are not counted.
This was not the case with H1N1. Over time, I suspect that this will come out as a factor, and be misrepresented by the Media as a coverup to protect Trump from being impeached again.

Pike River. I think we should ignore your comment. Disgraceful to say the least. I will chalk it up to ignorance.

Coonmans analysis is there will be a fur market next fall if I read it right...…..That's it, Im all in.....anyone need a mink trapping partner?

X2 I'm old but I'm not useless. Plus my family would love to have me around them for awhile longer.

Jarhead

There is no possible way to compare the 2 at this point. H1N1 is a done deal with finalized number's. Corona is just getting started.

The fatality rate for corona is jumping all over the place from 1% to 10%, Probably 3% being close to the truth......The fatility rate for H1N1 we know though. It was 0.02 %...Big difference.

Right now I'm somewhere in between everybody should be ashamed of what they're taking away from kids in their schooling and what they're doing to business owners and the economy.
. That and we should all Have No Reservations about making sacrifices to protect the weak and elderly
. That being said, I really don't think that The lethality of this virus is as bad as it's played up to be relatively speaking

South Korea is less than 1% fatality and they're not shutting anything down. Keep in mind. They are not testing probably half of the people that actually have the virus

Yep..Did the H1N1 require ventalators (SP)...

Another good point. H1N1 didn't overload the healthcare system.

Poorcoon........Aaccording to data from Johns Hopkins University, global cases surpassed 300,000 with 12,755 deaths and 91,540 people recovered.

Sense we can only go off of recovered vs deaths because we don't know what the oucome will be for the rest that's around a 14% fatality rate.

What ever the real number ends up being i am sure it is going to be much higher than H1N1 when this is over.


This is a good link https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Let's hope that the R & D and testing at Stanford and other places finds some real value in the malaria drugs in minimizing deaths in our seriously ill virus patients. If we know we can greatly lower severity or death then that will mean we can get back to some more normal sooner. The drug will not prevent infection but maybe lower the mortality rates. This then would become more of a potent flu event then what it is today. We probably won't achieve in real release from tensions until we have vaccines that work. When they arrive it will be interesting to see how they are marketed and what price.
Meanwhile we are in the escalation phase and darker days are ahead health wise and financially as well. There will be discussion regarding who was right, wrong etc. for years to come after this. Some keep saying that once this is past we will all just go back to being what we always have been and I don't see it that way. Many millions of Americans will make some minor to major changes in lifestyles as an outcome from this. If we are going to live in full to semi forms of isolation for weeks and months many will develop different habits long enough to become their newer norms. I know we are really reviewing our lifestyle and we can find many far lower cost ways to enjoy life then we have in the past and if market recovery takes years that may be a good thing. Many talk about the loss of wealth in retirement funds as something that is bad but passive. If you are say part of the 60 million Americans that use retirement funds for living expenses just imagine the lowered liquidity that is now current.

Bryce

There is more happening than just this virus. The economic system is collapsing. I would say your dead right about one thing, darker day's are coming.

The provided numbers don't add up but if we are basing it on 300000 cases then the mortality rate is 4.3%

Jarhead