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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: hippie] #6812085
03/21/20 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Furvor
So which is best: Protect perhaps a scooch too much or play fiddle while Rome burns?


Why don't we panic like this every flu season is my question. Why didn't the media show wall to wall flu death rates when 79,000 were estimated to be dying a couple winters ago?

These are equally valid questions no one wants to address!


Maybe because we didn't have a collapsing stock market bubble. Maybe because this really is a dangerous virus. Maybe a little bit of both...We will soon see.

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You only live once, so get over it!

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812086
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The virus ain't the problem. This was carefully planned and brilliantly executed.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812087
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Good question. They estimate 250,000-500,00 from regular flu so if this is worse, a million maybe?

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812088
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Nobody will take it seriously until internet tv and electrical grid go down.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812100
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Yep...Our nations craftsman will keep the power on..The feds will fire up idled coal fire plants..


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Gary Benson] #6812102
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
The virus ain't the problem. This was carefully planned and brilliantly executed.


Those red dots on the map in that link could just as well represent all the central banks and the amount of trouble they are in. lol


You only live once, so get over it!

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812106
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I would have to be pretty sick to sit in a doctor’s waiting room now.

I see my kidney surgeon Tuesday afternoon. I might ask him to come to my car. At least his patients will not be Corona candidates with flu symptoms.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812122
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The virus ain't the problem. This was carefully planned and brilliantly executed.


Really ??? Where did you mine that jewel?

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812138
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Well after today I'll take the virus over a moose! A big bull that has been hanging around almost got me....it was very very close. Our KBDs saved my sorry behind.....packing my 9.3 PPE even on short trips to the barn now...


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: hippie] #6812144
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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Show us the a link, surely you can copy and paste from a kindle, my daughter said it's possible.


Just tried again, no luck.

When on their site, I looked at past flu seasons. From it...................

From the 2010-11 season through the 2017-18 season, death run from a low of 12,000 during the 11-12 season to a high of 79,000 during the 17-18 season. 79,000!!!! I


I've been using Yotetrappers link on the y'all suck thread. Put flu in their search box And change to all of CDC INSTEAD of covid19.
Then find last seasons.


Straight from the CDC.
link

2017-18 flu season all estimated numbers of course. 44.8 million cases, 808,000 hospitalizations, 61,000 deaths. That's an estimated death rate of a little over 1 percent, 7 percent when compared to hospitalizations.

These numbers are nothing to be made light of and surely the death rates compared to total estimated cases will fall when the numbers are in. My speculation is the numbers in the next two weeks will really tell the tale. If it keeps doubling at the rate it is in that time frame, Katie bar the door.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812155
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Just a small fraction of those number's with coronavirus will overwhelm our healthcare system if what we are hearing is true. Our healthcare system unlike other's is set up to get people in and out as fast as possible. They will be forced to start choosing who lives and who dies.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812171
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https://youtu.be/gMTZu6_TjU8


Interesting and scary


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812175
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Steven,

On the top left of your linked page, click flu seasons. Then scroll down to past seasons,click then click 2017-18 season and then read that page. Down a ways is deaths and they give the 79,000 number I copied.

2018-19, not 17-18

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812179
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I was wrong, it's the 2018_-19 season that gives the number I quoted.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6812188
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Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty
https://youtu.be/gMTZu6_TjU8


Interesting and scary


It's interesting for sure.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812191
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What I read says 61,000 hippie, either way 79,000 wont' change the overall death rate much. It would change the comparison to hospitalization a couple points.

I have a lot of pondering to do, the conspiracy theorist in me is starting to kick in and it hasn't nothing to do with R versus D.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812199
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We are all gonna die from " STUPID " not the c-19 virus


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Steven 49er] #6812201
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
What I read says 61,000 hippie, either way 79,000 wont' change the overall death rate much. It would change the comparison to hospitalization a couple points.

I have a lot of pondering to do, the conspiracy theorist in me is starting to kick in and it hasn't nothing to do with R versus D.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812205
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Here is a portion of a New York Times article that was published today:

"The coronavirus has infected far more people in the United States than testing has shown so far, and stringent measures to limit social contact in parts of the country not yet seeing many cases are needed to significantly stem the tide of illness and death in the coming months.

Those are the conclusions of Columbia University researchers who used a New York Times database of known cases and Census Bureau transportation data to model how the outbreak could evolve based on what is known about the virus. The estimates are inherently uncertain, and they could change as the U.S. adopts unprecedented measures to control the outbreak.

But they offer a stark warning: Even if the country managed to cut its rate of transmission in half — a tall order — some 650,000 people might become infected in the next two months.

The growth is driven by Americans with mild symptoms who are carrying and spreading the virus without being aware that they have it, the researchers say. The number of undetected cases — 11 times the total that has been officially reported, they estimate — reflects how far behind the U.S. has fallen in testing for the virus."

The rest of the article details how they used the model to get the numbers and says it is an evolving situation and the numbers will change. This was undoubtedly put together by someone smarter than me. We have been told this will double every three days. So when I take the number of confirmed cases and multiply by 11 and then multiply by 20 (doubling every 3 days for six months) I come up with 3,348,180. Divided by 2 is 1,674,090. This article says the number should only be 650,000. Where did I go wrong in my math? I am one million short.

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812206
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I read 79,000 under the "how many adults died" paragraph. They give the 10 year low at12,000 and the high I posted .

Anyhow, back to why such a tizzy now and not when tens of thousands were dying?




Flu season at top left of you link, then past seasons, then 2018-2019 and read the page to find it.

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