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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: hippie] #6812979
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There is a huge difference in the mortality rate of those hospitalized versus those that contract a disease.

See below a brief summary of flu related deaths and hospitalizations in the US since 2010.

The burden of influenza disease in the United States can vary widely and is determined by a number of factors including the characteristics of circulating viruses, the timing of the season, how well the vaccine is working to protect against illness, and how many people got vaccinated. While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year.

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

Just using averages one gets about 27 million cases per year and about 480K of those are hospitalized and roughly 35,000 per year die. That is 35K divided by 27 million or .0013 or less then two per 1,000 that contract the disease which is far lower then the current data on COVID 19 but that could very well be do to the huge number of undocumented cases that may exist. We best hope that in reality that we are way, way, way under testing as if the percentage holds and we infect what may be projected we will deal with many hospitalizations and much higher death rates then we are dealing with in normal years.

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812981
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You only live once, so get over it!

Tactics may change but the goal remains the same.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812983
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Here's the conclusion I came to.

It's more contagious than regular flu.

It's less lethal than regular flu, based on only .08 percent of deaths, the people didn't have any pre-existing illnesses. Over 70 percent had two or more pre-existing illnesses and the average age of those dying is around 80yrs old.

It's been in China since November, and its more widespread than us commoners know. All doctors say there are hundreds of thousands who have it with no symptoms.

This is like the one cop shooting the media grabs hold of and doesn't let go, when there are hundreds of cop shootings that we never hear of.


And lastly, yes I do worry that my very elderly mother may get it, same as I do her catching the flu.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812985
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If you truly believe this is all hype then by all means socialize with everyone, go visit a patient with the virus in the hospital, then go back and sneeze and cough all over your family.
We’ll await your results. It shouldn’t be a big deal to most on here. Can’t get anything from hype...

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I agree with your first sentence Bryce....there is a huge difference. That's why most are saying the mortality rate of this covid 19 will be below 1percent when all said and done.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: hippie] #6812988
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Originally Posted by hippie
Here's the conclusion I came to.

It's more contagious than regular flu.

It's less lethal than regular flu, based on only .08 percent of deaths, the people didn't have any pre-existing illnesses. Over 70 percent had two or more pre-existing illnesses and the average age of those dying is around 80yrs old.

It's been in China since November, and its more widespread than us commoners know. All doctors say there are hundreds of thousands who have it with no symptoms.

This is like the one cop shooting the media grabs hold of and doesn't let go, when there are hundreds of cop shootings that we never hear of.


And lastly, yes I do worry that my very elderly mother may get it, same as I do her catching the flu.


How do you know it had been in China sense November ? I see it was not identified until January 7th and they did not have the first death until January 11th.

I'n not saying it is not true just wondering where you heard that and how did they know.

Last edited by muddyriverdogz; 03/22/20 02:56 PM.

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Wanna Be] #6812989
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
If you truly believe this is all hype then by all means socialize with everyone, go visit a patient with the virus in the hospital, then go back and sneeze and cough all over your family.
We’ll await your results. It shouldn’t be a big deal to most on here. Can’t get anything from hype...



I didn't say it's all hype, I'm asking why these dead people are getting the attention the hundreds of thousands of flu victims don't?

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6812999
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On the news Muddy. Saw several politicians who were briefed say that.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813006
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All the grade 4 dropouts on here know more about infectious diseases than the CDC.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813011
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Another thing I notice.......

No one wants to commit to shutting down every fall to save tens of thousands from the flu that die every year. Guess they bought into the hysteria the media is selling.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6813015
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
I guess what health proffesional's are reporting is not valid data.

Probably just as valid as reporting by media and politicians trying to further their agenda.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813021
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Hippie, here is my full take on it and it's only opinion, it's a new virus that is highly contagious. With a new virus there is a fear of the unknown, shut it down and look like an idiot, let it run its course look like an idiot. We won't know for sure until all the data comes and it will most likely take a year or two after it's run it's course.

One thing I'm beginning to believe is the cure will have a good chance to be worse than the disease. Bette than 50 50 chance in my eyes the whole economic system will be transformed after this and not in a positive way for the common man.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813026
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Thanks for your opinion Steven. I too believe it's more contagious.

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: hippie] #6813033
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I find it difficult to understand how some individuals believe the coronavirus outbreak is overhyped. Have you not heard that entire countries are shutting down. Did you think this is "just for fun"? The level of contamination and death would be astronomical if no one did a thing. Entire Countries are locking down their medical resources are overwhelmed. One can see, here, how grocery stores are being left with isles bare. That is the kind of situation that is trying to be averted at hospitals. A situation where so many people are sick that there is no room, supplies or manpower to treat them. This is like common sense what is with you people? Seriously, Wake Up!

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813034
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Over 7,000 people on average die every single day in the United States


"Nothing I like to do pays well." True Grit

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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813036
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YUP YUP its only the flu boys....the friggin buzzards and ravens will be eating good by the time this is over boys....armchair experts and quarterbacks give your friggin heads a shake people and see if there is anything inside....rant off....

Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813039
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The difference between this corona virus is that it is a novel virus-brand new,The other flu viruses have been circulating for decades and the population has developed a level of immunity that creates managable rates of infection and spread.Not so with this one.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: jbyrd63] #6813042
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I don't wanna get it.


No Jab.
Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Poorcoon] #6813044
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Originally Posted by Poorcoon
Over 7,000 people on average die every single day in the United States


I don't wanna die yet.


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Re: Corona mess over hyped [Re: Poorcoon] #6813047
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Originally Posted by Poorcoon
Over 7,000 people on average die every single day in the United States


Just chew on that for a minute.

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