Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Yes it is troubling , we in a sad world now .
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
[Re: Desertambition]
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If I catch it,since I'm over 60,I'm gonna bring my bellows air mattress pump with me to the hospital and try to get someone to pump the air into me.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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I'm glad I don't live in Italy.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Read the danged article!!!!!!!
Israel
For all I know, fake news, unless I see another source.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Read the danged article!!!!!!!
Israel
For all I know, fake news, unless I see another source. How about u read the article: Israeli doctor working In Parma,ITALY
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Read the danged article!!!!!!!
Israel
For all I know, fake news, unless I see another source. It's an Israeli Dr, working in Italy.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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If I catch it,since I'm over 60,I'm gonna bring my bellows air mattress pump with me to the hospital and try to get someone to pump the air into me. Can't believe you would take up a bed that a young man starting a family needs! Can you say "me me me"?
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Socialism at it's best. And people want this crap here. Free health care yippie. All rainbow and butter cups. What do you think will happen here if all the beds get filled and ventilators are in use?
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Italy's problem in not treating the elderly is not something new. They have been letting sick old people die for sometime and this Jewish doctor just affirmed it. What caused Italy's problems, can be found in this article from an Italian epidemiologist. Most here probably were not paying attention, but when Corona broke, the Italians had an insane policy of "Hug a Chinese Today". Anyone who was sounding the alarm was called a racist against the Chinese, just as President Trump was smeared as a racist when he began shutting down domestic flights to China. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/...ys-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis/#more-312473China is a big economic tie to Italy, and that is why the government there was trying not to offend Peking. For those stating Italy is socialist, so is the United States, and the former Homeland director today stated that 3 states in California, Washington and New York are in meltdown and New York is going to be overwhelmed soon, and it will become an Italian situation. https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...e-states-have-a-problem-that-is-going-toFrom the data I have researched on this, and the media is not informing people, when the statistics are quoted they keep stating "Americans". The local photos in California are showing Chinese. The hardest hit areas in the New York City metro, are people who invaded the United States illegally. The United States has some very bad hot spots in certain states. The concern in this is the rich who will fly off to their vacation sites to escape and bring the virus with them or those who went to the big city lights, and are now sneaking back to their redneck roots and are infected. Colorado has clusters appearing and every state probably will, due to this. What Italy is manifesting is "community spread" or when the virus goes active not from people who traveled, but so many have the virus, that it is covering tables, shopping carts, hand rails, door handles and the infection is spiking. For the record, my community is in an uproar, as someone is being tested, who was sick at work, but then went and purchased groceries and got gas, before going home. That kind of stupidity is in every community, but people have lost all patience with that selfishness. Last word, Coronavirus is like politics, everything is local. Most people reading this will by the time this is done, know someone who had the virus, but they probably will not get it. The people though packed in cities like sardines will have a vastly different experience. This is like rabies in skunks and mange in yotes, the places which have ethnics whose cultural background is numbers of people in one house, are not the cleanest of people, are going to be breeding grounds for this virus. General Patton when in Italy, noted the practice of drying tomatoes on sheets next to the road, where dust, covered everything and that dust was where animals and people were relieving themselves on the road.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Makes sense. Why would you let a young person die just to save some old fart that has already lived a long life? Sorry could not resist replying to this, because ventilators are not saving young people, because if you need a ventilator, it means you have a severe lung infection. There are cases which appeared that young people's lungs were destroyed like with tuberculosis. All the ventilators are doing in numbers of cases is just delaying death a few years, as bad lungs, stresses the heart and it fails. The only solution to this is not to get Coronavirus and hope that the malaria drugs the President is focusing on which have worked in France and Australia work.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Socialism at it's best. And people want this crap here. Free health care yippie. All rainbow and butter cups. What do you think will happen here if all the beds get filled and ventilators are in use? American ingenuity what else. Read an article discussing retro fitting the ventilators antistigolist use to reduce strain. Our military medical staff will be utilized field hospitals set up ect.... The Stanford act implemented like ww2 directing production of vital items from the privet sector. Retool and manufacture at a record pace. Be proud to live in the best most inventive and productive country the world has ever seen.
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Italy's problem in not treating the elderly is not something new. They have been letting sick old people die for sometime and this Jewish doctor just affirmed it. What caused Italy's problems, can be found in this article from an Italian epidemiologist. Most here probably were not paying attention, but when Corona broke, the Italians had an insane policy of "Hug a Chinese Today". Anyone who was sounding the alarm was called a racist against the Chinese, just as President Trump was smeared as a racist when he began shutting down domestic flights to China. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/...ys-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis/#more-312473China is a big economic tie to Italy, and that is why the government there was trying not to offend Peking. For those stating Italy is socialist, so is the United States, and the former Homeland director today stated that 3 states in California, Washington and New York are in meltdown and New York is going to be overwhelmed soon, and it will become an Italian situation. https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...e-states-have-a-problem-that-is-going-toFrom the data I have researched on this, and the media is not informing people, when the statistics are quoted they keep stating "Americans". The local photos in California are showing Chinese. The hardest hit areas in the New York City metro, are people who invaded the United States illegally. The United States has some very bad hot spots in certain states. The concern in this is the rich who will fly off to their vacation sites to escape and bring the virus with them or those who went to the big city lights, and are now sneaking back to their redneck roots and are infected. Colorado has clusters appearing and every state probably will, due to this. What Italy is manifesting is "community spread" or when the virus goes active not from people who traveled, but so many have the virus, that it is covering tables, shopping carts, hand rails, door handles and the infection is spiking. For the record, my community is in an uproar, as someone is being tested, who was sick at work, but then went and purchased groceries and got gas, before going home. That kind of stupidity is in every community, but people have lost all patience with that selfishness. Last word, Coronavirus is like politics, everything is local. Most people reading this will by the time this is done, know someone who had the virus, but they probably will not get it. The people though packed in cities like sardines will have a vastly different experience. This is like rabies in skunks and mange in yotes, the places which have ethnics whose cultural background is numbers of people in one house, are not the cleanest of people, are going to be breeding grounds for this virus. General Patton when in Italy, noted the practice of drying tomatoes on sheets next to the road, where dust, covered everything and that dust was where animals and people were relieving themselves on the road. After seeing this post it make sense now , because of the write up by the Doc sound like something that is being done in China for how they are there ,, This just confirm it . Also who is to say who should live not live no matter what age someone is.For those say that let the old die , remember you will get to that age also and if they are able to do it now they will do it more when you reach that age. You will need med help and will not get it .
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Re: In Italy if you're over 60 no treatment?
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Makes sense. Why would you let a young person die just to save some old fart that has already lived a long life? Sorry could not resist replying to this, because ventilators are not saving young people, because if you need a ventilator, it means you have a severe lung infection. There are cases which appeared that young people's lungs were destroyed like with tuberculosis. All the ventilators are doing in numbers of cases is just delaying death a few years, as bad lungs, stresses the heart and it fails. The only solution to this is not to get Coronavirus and hope that the malaria drugs the President is focusing on which have worked in France and Australia work. I'm skeptical. I'm sure pnemonia scars lungs too, but the young with good immune systems will recover.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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