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Buying China #6813602
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Now that China has threatened to stop the flow of Medicine's and medical equipment to the U.S., and accused the United States military of "planting" the Coronavirus in China, will we as a nation stop buying cheaper made goods and return to buy American? let's hear some thought out civil discourse on this. NOT the normal trapperman rambling.

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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813606
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I don't think we can ever stop completely. The Company's that left the U.S. could return but it would take a long time.


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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813612
03/22/20 10:17 PM
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The next time they devalue their currency we should buy it. They will stop that crap quick. LLL


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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813633
03/22/20 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Now that China has threatened to stop the flow of Medicine's and medical equipment to the U.S., and accused the United States military of "planting" the Coronavirus in China, will we as a nation stop buying cheaper made goods and return to buy American? let's hear some thought out civil discourse on this. NOT the normal trapperman rambling.


For one it's not up to us American's AKA this nation. It's up to the corporation's as Congress does wht they tell them. Even if it left china it would probably go somewhere else before it came back here.

Last edited by muddyriverdogz; 03/22/20 10:41 PM.

You only live once, so get over it!

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Re: Buying China [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6813646
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Now that China has threatened to stop the flow of Medicine's and medical equipment to the U.S., and accused the United States military of "planting" the Coronavirus in China, will we as a nation stop buying cheaper made goods and return to buy American? let's hear some thought out civil discourse on this. NOT the normal trapperman rambling.


For one it's not up to us American's AKA this nation. It's up to the corporation's as Congress does wht they tell them. Even if it left china it would probably go somewhere else before it came back here.

In your opinion, does that mean the free markets won't, and the public can't control what's purchased? "WE" can't control what we purchase? Corporations have never controlled my purchasing habits.

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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813650
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I've done that for years...the problem is American made products are hard to find....We have to demand that our politicians put an end to all the outsourcing. If it can be made here, it should be, period.


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Re: Buying China [Re: Getting There] #6813663
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Originally Posted by Getting There
I don't think we can ever stop completely. The Company's that left the U.S. could return but it would take a long time.


No time like now. Let them eat rice, bats, and rats.

Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813711
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I spent the last several years of my military career trying to figure out how to kill Chinese by the 10,000's without using nukes. They are ruthless, and in my opinion, represent an existential threat to USA and democracies worldwide. We need to get smart and tough with them over the long term, and reestablish our economic and industrial independence, disconnected from China and its lackey allies. Grassroots pressure at the checkout counter and ballot box could pressure corporations and politicians to change.

Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813715
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We got by without them before we could do it again.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Buying China [Re: Law Dog] #6813726
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Moving production from foreign nations back to the USA will be a decades long change over so if we are serious about this we should do more than just complain. Also much of the manufacturing will never come back as the new markets of the world are not here they are where the other 7 billion people live.

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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813731
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We are so accustom to buying junk we don't even consider buying a quality item. A $75 pair of boots 15 years ago cost you $150 now and last 1/2 as long, built with junk materials. My $40 Drake boots lasted 5 years and the spendy boots don't last 6 months now if you use them everyday.


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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813735
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I am old enough to remember when cheap junk came from Japan.Made in Japan was the hallmark of cheap junk back in the 60's.
Now we are buying Japanese motorized vehicles because they have surpassed north american standards of engineering and production.People still want good quality.
Give the chinaman another 20 years.

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Re: Buying China [Re: Boco] #6813751
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Originally Posted by Boco
I am old enough to remember when cheap junk came from Japan.Made in Japan was the hallmark of cheap junk back in the 60's.


Interesting. In my day, " Made In Hong Kong " was the kiss of crape. But, that was northern europe. Different markets.


What I'm seeing a Lot of, today, in Europe, is like:

" De Walt tools are the Dogs! "

Well; Maybe they were. But, now they're made in China.

" That doesn't matter! The Chinese will make ye any quality ye like. They'll do what ye pay for! Ye'll Get what ye Pay them to make! "

And I'm just like; " Wow! "

Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813768
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China is done, at least the CCP and the state owned businesses. Cheap products from chicoms is a thing of the past. I don't think they even have the capacity to make medicine let alone withhold it from US. 15 million phone accounts in China with no activity, while on lockdown. Think about that lil bit of metadata.


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Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813772
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Reminds me about a thread asking about duke vs mb traps. The response will give you an idea on how many people will buy American and the length they will go with excuses to justify buying a Chinese copy. Humm wonder how we got into this situation to begin with.

Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813831
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Used to be a BIG tannery in Johnstown N.Y. that bought a lot if not most of the cowhides coming out of the big meat processing plants here in KS OK and TX. Those hides have not been tanned in the U.S. for at least a couple decades. So how are we going to buy American made boots? You can buy boots sewn together here, made with cow hides raised on good KS bluestem grass, but the leather was tanned in China and then sent back.

You can buy a new dodge chevy or ford that was bolted and welded together here in the U.S.

Those big steel mills in Gary, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland? They are not making enough steel to supply the girl scouts with pocket knives. That alternator or engine block? Same thing. All made somewhere else.

Go buy a pair of jeans to wear to work. The cotton was grown in TX sure enough but that big textile mill in Ravens Gap Georgia? Gone. The cotton gets loaded into a metal cargo container then guess what? Yep put on a ship to get turned into cloth and blue jeans then sent back.

You can go to Red Wing MN and the old boot factory is still there. So are the offices of the red wing boot company. You remember red wing boots? You paid a good chunk of hard earned money for them, but it was years of hard use before you needed another pair. You can still buy "red wing" boots. They have a made in China stamp now and instead of years of hard use you get months. Price is still high though so there is that at least.

I voted for Trump because he was the only politician I had heard talk about that and how it needed to change. McCain, Romney, Bush, Obama, were all happy with Bill Clintons dream to cease all manufacturing in The U.S.

It took 30 years to get as helpless as we are presently and I expect it will take that long to come all the way back. We as voters need to to refuse to vote for politicians who are not determined to see us as capable of being independent again. Our goal needs to be a nation of exporters again. Not just raw ag material's like cotton, soybeans and beef hides, but finished goods made here in the U.S.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813838
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US steel has put and continues to put, billions into US steel mills in this country since trump got elected. They are building the world's largest rolling mill as we speak.

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Wife said her company is sourcing fabric in the US since the tariffs made it harder to get Chinese goods.

Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813887
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Lets keep voting for politicians who want that to continue. The Clintons have done great harm to our country. Not alone either. A lot of Romneys out there also.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Buying China [Re: wy.wolfer] #6813987
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We trusted the politicians years ago when they said sending our jobs overseas was the thing to do as crazy as it sounded even back then, as a result they got rich and we got the junk after that the same with our meds and meat products not labeled from the US. That is how you become a millionaire on a salary of less the $200,000 a year.


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