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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Lugnut] #6815935
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I'm talking all Americans of voting age. If conservatives outnumber liberals why are we losing or barely winning elections?

Conservatives sitting on their arses on election days?


bunch of trappers actively voting for gun-grabbers!

look at the red versus blue COUNTY map in any recent election...we aren't in the trenches (school districts) where we own the ground!

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Lugnut] #6815938
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Liberals have taken over education and have used it to propagandize generations of young Americans, to indoctrinate them to liberal ideology. Liberals own the media and use that very powerful tool to lead the ignorant masses in this Country, to force feed them opinions which they then embrace as their own.


What is the difference between liberal education and conservative education in a public school?

If there is a difference, wouldn't conservative education then be propagandizing to a degree also? What is capable of propaganda other than perhaps a few literature choices? Book censorship is a fun topic...

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6815939
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Right now those with conservative values are losing ground, but that is no reason to stop fighting. We don't know what the future will bring as the Covid 19 virus has shown, and some unseen future event may result in a resurgence of conservative values. Only by giving up now do we lose for sure, so continue the good fight and stay hopeful for the future. As an example, look at the lines at gun stores in extreme liberal areas such as Ca and Mass. Those liberals who lined up to buy guns suddenly came to the realization that their gov't may not be able to protect them and took action to protect themselves. I don't think they will forget that lesson soon.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: MNCedar] #6815945
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Originally Posted by MNCedar
What is the difference between liberal education and conservative education in a public school?


how about we just teach kids real history? maybe math? I think reading should be in there...

take at look at your kids' textbooks...you think it's NOT indoctrination?

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: white marlin] #6815975
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by MNCedar
What is the difference between liberal education and conservative education in a public school?


how about we just teach kids real history? maybe math? I think reading should be in there...

take at look at your kids' textbooks...you think it's NOT indoctrination?


I agree on real history....that was my point. Textbooks are scary, and it can go both ways. Why does it need to be liberal or conservative? How about just truth

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: MNCedar] #6815993
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Originally Posted by MNCedar


I agree on real history....that was my point. Textbooks are scary, and it can go both ways. Why does it need to be liberal or conservative? How about just truth


Like there are only two sexes?

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6815998
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Yep, that's true. Two sexes.

Gender is where the discussion starts for some.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816033
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You can teach everything without having a political agenda.

When looking at history, especially at american history...I wonder how many people even remember that we had the Articles of Confederation before the Constitution?

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816055
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If we could just make the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mandatory in education, we’d have a different country IMO. Most “American’s” don’t understand that their rights require the assumption of responsibility for those rights.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816061
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Originally Posted by Boco
Not all people are one issue voters.


Why are foreigners allowed to comment on politics of which they know nothing about? Asking for a friend.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: MNCedar] #6816063
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Originally Posted by MNCedar
Originally Posted by Lugnut
Liberals have taken over education and have used it to propagandize generations of young Americans, to indoctrinate them to liberal ideology. Liberals own the media and use that very powerful tool to lead the ignorant masses in this Country, to force feed them opinions which they then embrace as their own.


What is the difference between liberal education and conservative education in a public school?

If there is a difference, wouldn't conservative education then be propagandizing to a degree also? What is capable of propaganda other than perhaps a few literature choices? Book censorship is a fun topic...


Where did I write anything about a "conservative" education?

I agree with the above posters who said children should simply be educated.

If a student knows a teachers political leanings that is a bad teacher.


Eh...wot?

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: cat daddy] #6816072
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816078
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816085
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We're not going to come out alive by attempting to dominate the other side. What we need is acceptance. We accomplish that by educating folks that are on the other side or simply unaware sharing meat, fur, knowledge and friendship. You'll either gain an ally, recruit a new trapper, or find out their mind is made up and you move on.

I know hardcore liberal folks out here that would vote against an anti-trapping bill solely because they know that I trap, why I trap, what my wife and I do with the meat and fur (and we've had them over for beaver dinners), and that I'm not a raging jerk. That's how we stay alive.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816118
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The left are activists,the right tends to be complacent.Guns,trapping and hunting are traditions.When the left takes away our freedoms we kick and scream but hey,what do you expect?How many people on Trapperman belong to the NTA,FTA,and their state associations?I've seen this going on since the mid 70's when I first joined the NTA.A substantial number wont lift a finger to fight the anti's.And to this day I still hear people say"they can't do it here",ignoring all the states where they have done it.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816129
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It is not just the Left that is a threat to hunting and trapping the Right have been advocating selling off public land, that will do more as much damage to hunting and trapping as they left wants to do.

I do feel like we are losing the battle when it comes to hunting and trapping, public referendums have been a real wound.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816135
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Dont give up. The seeds the liberals have planted in states they have controlled for a long time are starting to produce fruit and I dont think most people are liking the taste of the fruit. Just keep pointing out California's problems and I think people will start opening their eyes.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6816139
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
It is not just the Left that is a threat to hunting and trapping the Right have been advocating selling off public land, that will do more as much damage to hunting and trapping as they left wants to do.

I do feel like we are losing the battle when it comes to hunting and trapping, public referendums have been a real wound.

I dont agree. But I bet it makes you feel better voting for the left.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816151
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I was a union member at one time (Longshoreman). I quit, what a disgusting bunch of thieving losers. Many of them were gun owners and outdoors-men yet still voted Democrat.
It was always the same old mantra "the Democrats are for the working man", that bunch of idiots could repeat the phrase but I doubt they could write or read it. They were really good a voting for whoever the Union told them to vote for.
It's too bad, but just because a person is a trapper/hunter/gun owner doesn't necessarily mean they are all that smart.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: waggler] #6816160
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Originally Posted by waggler
I was a union member at one time (Longshoreman). I quit, what a disgusting bunch of thieving losers. Many of them were gun owners and outdoors-men yet still voted Democrat.
It was always the same old mantra "the Democrats are for the working man", that bunch of idiots could repeat the phrase but I doubt they could write or read it. They were really good a voting for whoever the Union told them to vote for.
It's too bad, but just because a person is a trapper/hunter/gun owner doesn't necessarily mean they are all that smart.

Like it or not if there were no unions everyone’s wages would be a lot lower. They set a higher standard of living for union workers and non union workers.

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