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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816163
03/24/20 09:31 PM
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X2 Andy-I was union all my working life-and always voted conservative,and so did most of the brothers.
You cant stereotype people.

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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816167
03/24/20 09:34 PM
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^^^^^^^
I have heard that for years, I wonder if there is any conclusive proof of it. I'll bet the highest paid workers are not union members.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816170
03/24/20 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
X2 Andy-I was union all my working life-and always voted conservative,and so did most of the brothers.
You cant stereotype people.

Boco, I agree, you can't stereotype people, but you can stereotype longshoremen.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816171
03/24/20 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
X2 Andy-I was union all my working life-and always voted conservative,and so did most of the brothers.
You cant stereotype people.

That’s right. Same here. I see things both ways for sure, some on here may not believe that, but it’s the truth. Both party’s are to blame in today’s problems. The left has gone way to far left, and the same for the right.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816172
03/24/20 09:39 PM
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Didn’t take me long to realize the Union is nothing but another corporation that wants your money then says they don’t want to make waves and vote for Democrats. I’m not voluntarily paying anyone to tell me what to do, lol. The Unions of old are NOT today’s unions.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Wanna Be] #6816177
03/24/20 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Didn’t take me long to realize the Union is nothing but another corporation that wants your money then says they don’t want to make waves and vote for Democrats. I’m not voluntarily paying anyone to tell me what to do, lol. The Unions of old are NOT today’s unions.

The small price I pay for union dues don’t even come close to the benefits that I gain. To each their own.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Andy27] #6816180
03/24/20 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy27
The left has gone way to far left, and the same for the right.


I agree!

the right HAS gone too far to the left!

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: cmcf] #6816208
03/24/20 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cmcf
A lot of union people vote Democrat then wonder why their jobs get sent offshore.


I think that is changing!


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816211
03/24/20 10:11 PM
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Boco would you vote for someone who would take away your guns?

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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: vegasjim] #6816226
03/24/20 10:20 PM
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^^ This is part of voting on only one subject that doesn’t ever really change. Actually gun Regs have stiffened under this administration more, so they have changed a bit I guess.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816236
03/24/20 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
And I am not talking about the Chinese virus. When I look back how many states lost their trapping rights and none of these rights have ever been reinstated. The constant threats to the the second amendment and the clout that hunters lost due to declining hunting numbers, etc. How are the liberal democrats winning so many congressional districts when they are against these rights. I think the biggest problem are the large number of hunters, trappers, gun owners that are voting for these liberals. I don’t think many of these liberal politicians would win if the these same voters would vote for their rights instead of against them. Then these same hunter’s, trappers, gun owners will complain when they lose these rights. I know a trapper that complains about losing his trapping rights but is going to vote straight democratic this coming Fall. And he is also a small business owner! On another site, a trapper is praising the Pelosi 1,400 page democratic Chinese virus bill and condemning the Republican’s bill. Nope, I think we are losing the war and I am now thinking how much money I can save if I stop trapping and spending on memberships and related donations.


Gramps, do you believe in God? If not, then you can believe in history as it repeats itself. No people, whether it was Babylon, Israel, Rome, the Soviet Union survived when the exact same actions of debauchery and a few ruling the many against their will became dominant. The United States is experiencing a reset. You mentioned Coronavirus, but that is just the start of this reset. This going to come in waves and there will be more natural disasters and there is going to be another world war which will continue to sort this out.
The nature of physics is that nature deplores a collection of anything in great quantities, before it shatters that group and scatters it. Whether it is a melon rotting down to the garden or a nation like the United States, it is the way this all works.
We may not like it, any more than the decent remnant did, but if we do not live to see it, the people who are bright enough like our Founders were, will be there, either with Jesus or with another group to set things right in responsible liberty again.
This is how things get sorted out when any pandemic invades the body politic.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: vegasjim] #6816242
03/24/20 10:35 PM
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No I would not.But there are other hunters and trappers who vote left to protect their heritage and language and way of life.For some there are more important things to consider.

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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816261
03/24/20 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Not all people are one issue voters.

Boco, This may sound rude to a Canadian and I understand you're not part of our culture of freedom from oppressive governments. But you'll never understand that it's not one issue, it's all about a culture of trapping, owning guns to protect us from our government, free trappers as it were, not subservient, to the "Company". Your comment about about "one" issue means you don't understand that it's ALL the issue's we in the south are resisting, but this happens to be the focal point. You may be lucky that you don't understand fully and you're certainly lucky that you can still trap as you please. Many of us here can't do that and feel we're losing what we have held dear. So I'm not going to berate you like a lot on here have done, but all I can say is YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Other than this I think most of your opinions on Trapperman are some of the most knowledgeable here,....... most.

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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816271
03/24/20 11:14 PM
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They can trample a lot of my rights and I might tolerate it but coming for my guns puts me in a fighting mood. This isn't about crime, it's about control. As a sovereign human being, I intend to resist that at whatever cost they are willing to bear.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816274
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Single issue for me is not guns, it's freedom. While the right is not perfect it's better than the alternative.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816293
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The bottom line for us is the loss of our freedoms.That loss generally comes from gov't involvement.Now what party advocates more gov't control over our lives?I didn't say the Republican party doesn't have its issues here,but by and large which of the two are we constantly fighting against?Which party grinds out a endless wish list of gun control,gun tax,ammo tax,etc.?As far as the public land debate,that issue has a lot of facets,too long to go into here.One thing I could never understand,if your a hunter/trapper/gun owner,why don't you try to change your party's positions?All I hear is denial that their party is anti anything.Its an easy thing to do to look up The Congressional Roll call and see who voted for what.Look at the ratio of what party is for and which one is against.That'll end your denial.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816294
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If you only knew the freedom we have here.Unfortunately you will never understand our freedom here.We have always had it I guess that's why we take it for granted and don't understand why you think you have freedom by having to go around armed.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6816300
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Because this country has a distrust and skeptical view of politicians.Its well founded.


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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816326
03/25/20 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If you only knew the freedom we have here.Unfortunately you will never understand our freedom here.We have always had it I guess that's why we take it for granted and don't understand why you think you have freedom by having to go around armed.


We don't have to go around armed but we don't much like permission slips from people we'd rather not have ruling over us. People inhabiting government are transients, or at least they should be.

Re: Are we fighting a losing battle? [Re: Boco] #6816334
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Originally Posted by Boco
If you only knew the freedom we have here.Unfortunately you will never understand our freedom here.We have always had it I guess that's why we take it for granted and don't understand why you think you have freedom by having to go around armed.


I remember when I was studying for my school counselor certification a number of years ago, one of my profs said if we go to a foreign country we will probably never understand their culture and way of life unless we were born and raised there. With that thought, I don’t expect to understand your ways Boco as well as I don’t expect you to understand our way of life.

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