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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Boco]
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03/25/20 02:47 AM
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If you only knew the freedom we have here.Unfortunately you will never understand our freedom here.We have always had it I guess that's why we take it for granted and don't understand why you think you have freedom by having to go around armed.
Boco, just a civics question (I don't know the answer). In Canada where do your rights originate from, in other words, who granted you your rights?
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Boco]
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03/25/20 06:37 AM
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If you only knew the freedom we have here.Unfortunately you will never understand our freedom here.We have always had it I guess that's why we take it for granted and don't understand why you think you have freedom by having to go around armed.
Spot on. We're the free-est of the free nations on this planet and we just can't see that. Perfect? Of course not. But we've got it really, really good compared to most of the worlds population - brazenly corrupt governments, no freedom of speech, drug cartels, armed religious extremist militias raiding your homes. No public utilities, no clean water, no public education. Or even compared to countries in Western Europe which don't have those problems but where fish and game, hunting and fishing are controlled entirely by the wealthy elite, for the wealthy elite. Can't think of anywhere other than the US and Canada which enjoys our level of freedom.
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 07:13 AM
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I wonder how many of you who are saying you will only vote to protect your gun rights, continue to give money to the NRA and voted for both McCain and Romney?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 07:20 AM
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Boco how about we round up the residents of inner city Chicago, Memphis, Atlanta, Birmingham, kc-mo, Compton, and deport them all to Canada. You can figure out how to live with them
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 09:02 AM
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That would be violating their rights.
Waggler,Human rights are inherent from the creator.
No one "grants" human rights just tries to take them away.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 09:51 AM
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When most of the self defined conservatives on this supposedly conservative site want free printed money, I think that answers your question;yes.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Boco]
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03/25/20 09:59 AM
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That would be violating their rights.
Waggler,Human rights are inherent from the creator.
No one "grants" human rights just tries to take them away. Right answer!! I was just wondering what Canada's legal philosophy is regarding where "Rights" come from? The founding documents of the USA specifically acknowledge that our rights are granted by God our Creator. Therefore only God is capable of taking our rights away; government can't. Does Canada legal philosophy acknowledge the same? I believe in most Countries it is the government that grants rights; and takes them away. It's unfortunate that the US education system is (deliberately I believe) not teaching the origin of our rights.
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Dirt]
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03/25/20 09:59 AM
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When most of the self defined conservatives on this supposedly conservative site want free printed money, I think that answers your question;yes. it took me a long time to realize people are inconsistent and mostly act in their own self interest and not by a set of morals and values.
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 10:12 AM
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^^^^^^
Conservative, government subsidized farmers being a prime example.
Just bring up the subject on this forum criticizing government ethanol mandates and subsidizing the industry that produces the corn required for ethanol production.
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 10:14 AM
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Who didn't think we're socialist to a point ?
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Dirt]
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03/25/20 10:26 AM
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When most of the self defined conservatives on this supposedly conservative site want free printed money, I think that answers your question;yes. I agree. Donnor, I agree that people mostly act in their own self-interest, not according to a set of morals.
I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money!
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/25/20 10:30 AM
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And I am not talking about the Chinese virus. When I look back how many states lost their trapping rights and none of these rights have ever been reinstated. The constant threats to the the second amendment and the clout that hunters lost due to declining hunting numbers, etc. How are the liberal democrats winning so many congressional districts when they are against these rights. I think the biggest problem are the large number of hunters, trappers, gun owners that are voting for these liberals. I don’t think many of these liberal politicians would win if the these same voters would vote for their rights instead of against them. Then these same hunter’s, trappers, gun owners will complain when they lose these rights. I know a trapper that complains about losing his trapping rights but is going to vote straight democratic this coming Fall. And he is also a small business owner! On another site, a trapper is praising the Pelosi 1,400 page democratic Chinese virus bill and condemning the Republican’s bill. Nope, I think we are losing the war and I am now thinking how much money I can save if I stop trapping and spending on memberships and related donations. You are right. I have a guy I hunted elk with for quite a few years. He is a staunch democrat. I asked him how he could vote for a party that wants to take away his right to own a firearm and supports abortion (he's a hard core Catholic)? He says the gun lobby is too strong. You will never lose your right to own a firearm. I reminded him, they said the same thing in Australia. And what about abortion? He said a woman should have a right to choose. So, politics are more important than your faith? He said he doesn't allow a couple of issues to determine how he will vote. I think this is the justification many of these people use.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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Re: Are we fighting a losing battle?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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03/25/20 10:49 AM
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When most of the self defined conservatives on this supposedly conservative site want free printed money, I think that answers your question;yes. it took me a long time to realize people are inconsistent and mostly act in their own self interest and not by a set of morals and values. I thought this was a trapping site, not a conservative politics site. You honestly expect anyone to believe that morals and values don't serve the value holders self interest? And who's values are more important? The right can't believe the left wants to enact firearms legislation in the interest of reducing gun violence, yet remains pro-choice. Meanwhile the left can't believe the right holds the line on pro-life activism, holds negative feelings towards social safety nets and gun rights despite our recent mass shootings. Both of these positions have merit.
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