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Negative Bonds #6816778
03/25/20 11:32 AM
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Dollar losing ground. Totally expected. Just like the Fed buying into the market, gaining access to the Treasury. All this was warned about way before any virus came on the scene. You haven’t seen anything yet with the markets. It’s about to turn into a hard ride on a rank bull.


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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6816805
03/25/20 11:36 AM
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You're mixing your metaphors there. A bull market is an up market, whereas a bear market is a down market . . . so its about to turn into a hard ride on a rank BEAR. :-)

Re: Negative Bonds [Re: Lazarus] #6816865
03/25/20 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
You're mixing your metaphors there. A bull market is an up market, whereas a bear market is a down market . . . so its about to turn into a hard ride on a rank BEAR. :-)

I see what you’re saying. I was directing it at those that seek security in a manipulated system designed to transfer wealth. It was a carry-over from a conversation I’d just had with a member of my family in WAY too deep. He’s bullish and thinks he just needs to hang on. I meant he was fixing to get trashed! A lot of investors are still clinging to an idea that there’s a rebound in all this, and it’s no further out than the fourth quarter.

You’re correct. Hard ride on a rank bear.


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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6816882
03/25/20 12:17 PM
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The bears have just wound up a big spring on the catapult and as soon as it looks like this virus is under control those bulls are going to be looking for new heights where the air got too thin because of the oxygen robbing virus . Of course we have an election coming up. The libs are worse than the oygen robbing virus, they are just blood suckers, so we shall see.
How about those metaphors, lol?

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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6816907
03/25/20 12:29 PM
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Well, you lost the reader on the "big spring" that got wound up on the catapult. You never tie the metaphor to the subject of your sentence. I like the reference to height, thin air and oxygen. Good parallelism there. But technically the virus does not rob the body of oxygen so I think you overplayed the next sentence. Other than that, keep on metaphoring!!

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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6816914
03/25/20 12:33 PM
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We have QE Infinity. The market can be made to do whatever the Fed wishes. The market cannot make the working parts of our economy function though. Even Powell said that, before the last rate-cut and stimulus. I think people are ignoring the real effects this will have on our economy.


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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6816935
03/25/20 12:44 PM
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I’m young and don’t know a whole lot but I know something Dave Ramsey says a lot is that the stock market is like a roller coaster and the only people that get hurt on either are the ones that jump out in the middle, or something to that effect. I think the economy can recover, how quickly will be based on how long this country stays shut down. I think this will kill some business but might also Allow some other business to appear. Be nice to see a lot more made in America tags on things when this is said and done. Nothing wrong with getting somethings from other countries but there’s a lot wrong with relying on another county(‘s) for a vast majority of our products. We as a country should be more self reliable. Just my opinion

Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6817005
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Michael, part of the problem is that some businesses will fail, and some will be saved. Who gets to decide that with your tax dollars? A lot like they describe the effects of the virus on hospital resources. You could find yourself in a position where you are denied access to some treatment if you’re less desirable than the next in line. When governments take money from one portion of society and disperse it to those they choose, it’s a form of socialism. When governments involve themselves in controlling economics it’s fascism. When government stays out of the economy, it’s called capitalism! That’s basically my take on it anyways.


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Re: Negative Bonds [Re: cfowler] #6817011
03/25/20 01:50 PM
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The way I understood it........and it could easily be wrong.......is that the FED will administer the various programs. If a business needs funding they can request a loan. If they don't want or need it they don't. The Fed indicated that there are almost no reasons for denial to companies who were solvent, going concerns, before the government imposed shut down.

At least that removes the political taint from who gets what.


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