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Coyote mange question #6819139
03/27/20 12:05 PM
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Been getting pictures of a coyote that has mange no hair or very little. Will the hair ever grow back I know its a mite of some kind but wasn't sure how it effects them in the long run? I've been calling a few times trying to get him, but no luck yet. Going to talk to our game warden and see if I can get a nuisance permit if its possible to set a couple of traps. I have one pipe dream pipe that I have not pulled and the coyote hits it about once a week
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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819152
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mange is a death sentence for coyotes. if exposure doesn't get them secondary infection will as their immune system gets compromised.

there is some argument whether or not coyotes can recover from it. one thing everybody agrees on is it is not likely


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819162
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Thanks Dan that's kinda what I figured. Our DNR guy is a trapper so hopefully we'll be able to work something out so I can get him out of the herd.
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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: danny clifton] #6819422
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
mange is a death sentence for coyotes. if exposure doesn't get them secondary infection will as their immune system gets compromised.

there is some argument whether or not coyotes can recover from it. one thing everybody agrees on is it is not likely

i do not agree, that it is a death sentence. I have killed coyotes with hair growing back. I can not say they lost their hair to mange for sure, but they lot it to something and new hair was growing in. Some coyotes will get mange and be 90+ % bald. But that is not always the case. I am pretty sure that coyotes live through mange.


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819428
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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819431
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really MJM? You think that the hair this thing has was growing back? It was living in a stack yard to stay warm and eating silage. It died in one night in a trap


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: danny clifton] #6819441
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
really MJM? You think that the hair this thing has was growing back? It was living in a stack yard to stay warm and eating silage. It died in one night in a trap

Really I have seen coyotes here, in ND, that had less hair than that in the winter. I walked one down at -25 with a 20 mph wind that was living in a farm yard for the farmer. It went about a mile and dug into the snow to get out of the wind. I was tracking it and walked up on it and shot it when it got up.
I did not post that picture you did. The hair that coyote has is what is left, not new hair. I have 100% seen coyotes with hair growing back. Just because you have not does not mean it doesn't happen.


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819448
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how do you think they get rid of the mite? except for ticks that fall off after they get full i am unaware of any parasite they get rid of


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819454
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I just did a search on coyotes recovering from mange. I copied and pasted. Yes coyotes die from other issues brought on by a weak immune system due to mange, but not all of them.
"In areas where the disease is common, mange has contributed to human-coyote conflicts. ... While animals with mange are difficult to witness given their poor state, animals can recover from the disease."


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819464
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I've seen patches regrow on coyote, when scarcopic mange came through 30 years ago

Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819623
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I also agree with Mark, Danny. I've seen it quite a few times, and have caught a lot of them with black scars on their legs and ears. Caught one once that had regrowth on both sides of his ribcage and belly up into his chest. Another factor that I have never mentioned before, but tink it has bearing, that after quite a few years of mange, They had died down, and saw a big influx of red fox and bobcats. Coyotes were pretty scarce. Then the next fall I start catching coyotes again. Not juust young coyotes, but plenty of adults, teeth worn down, some even gummers. The coyotes stayed clean for several years, and the population came back quick.....but then the cycle started again. The point I'm making with all this rattle is, Where did all the old coyotes come from? They all had good fur, with a lot of them wearing the scars I mentioned! My guess is they recovered and had pups, just what they normally do, except with no mange!


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819637
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I agree with what Lee says 100%. Other than the bobcats. It will take more than coyote mange to bring bobcats to this area in any number. Thanks for posting Lee, and Tactical 20 good to see I wasn't dreaming.

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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819773
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I believe I caught a "recovered" coyote this past fall. It's skin was super thick when skinning it and the hide was coal black when fleshed. 1st one I've ever caught like that.


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: Castormound] #6819904
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I saw a post elsewhere about hair loss in wolves caused by a possibly genetic disorder called canine follicular dysplasia I presume coyotes can also get it?? One of the hallmarks, I believe is somewhat bilateral pattern of hair loss with sparing of back and abdominal centerline, not at all sure about this. Wicki not much help re: ''wild dogs".

Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6819971
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So is it the TMan concensus now that sarcoptic mange does NOT kill most, if not all, the coyotes that get it?

What is the percentage that lives? 10%, 80% ?

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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6820063
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Back in the early 80 's when mange hit our area hard the greyhound hunters started carrying ivomec with them while hunting. When they caught a mangey coyote they would give it a shot of ivomec and Bob it's tail then turn it loose. I asked my dad if he thought it ever did any good and his reply was "well we sure did buy a lot of bobtailed coyotes with really good fur the next few years."

Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6820094
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It seems like mange would be the least concern for a coyote caught by greyhounds.

Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6820096
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Game Warden got back with me yesterday I have a 2 week window and that's it, must release everything else. He got with the biologist and thats the time frame they gave me. Keeps me legal and him in the loop.

Now for the next $20 ? For those of you that have caught a coyote that has survived mange was the fur good enough to sell?

The main reason I asked to do this was this last season all the coyotes that I caught they all had good fur which was a first for here at home. Last year I think I had 5 out of the 9 I did not skin because of mange This one showed up on camera at the beginning of the month and I want to get him out of the population so he doesn't pass it on. Not say that it hasn't already happened but trying to be a little proactive on try to keep whats here in decent shape for next season. Heres a pic from 2 nights ago
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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: illinideer] #6820120
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Danny, what I've seen personally is that if the parents of a litter are both mangy, the pups all die, some in the dens and some at the first signs of winter. They are almost always stunted, hairless, nacked things that don't know how to survive. The older yotes that get it after they "smarten up", seem to live through it, to some degree, if they don't get shot or trapped. I know there are some casualtys, but I feel a large part of the mature yotes are smart enough to find them a bale pile to hole up in. But it is a death sentrence for the pups!


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Re: Coyote mange question [Re: walleye101] #6820250
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Originally Posted by walleye101
It seems like mange would be the least concern for a coyote caught by greyhounds.

It usually is but if the guy has good dogs and is not running a straight up kill dog a lot of times the dogs will just more or less hold the coyote and you can catch him live.

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