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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Scuba1] #6820233
03/28/20 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Yup Law Dog. The dems are trying to sneak in all sorts of crap during these times while folks are concentrating on the virus.


This makes me laugh. “Dems are sneaking stuff in bills”. None of us know what most bills say even when there is nothing distracting us. Yes there are Dems putting stuff in bills, but there’s also republicans reading these bills. That new gun bill is a campaign bill. Any bill that bans a gun is a bill that they wrote to fail. Now even magazine restrictions are put in bills so they fail. California Supreme Court ruled magazine restrictions to be unconstitutional. When you have a pro-gun controlled Supreme Court, and ban will be deemed unconstitutional. If they really wanted the tax money they would leave the ban out. The writers of the bill know it won’t pass but now when they start their campaign they can say “we need to ban military style AR-14s with double barrel magazines and heat seeking bullets, I even wrote and supported a bill that would protect our children and ban these killers”. It’s just another campaign bill. It has a slim chance to make it through the house, and won’t make it pass the senate. And if it did, the president would veto it and there is no way it could get 3/4ths vote from the house or senate.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820247
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Just look up how the National Firearm Act got passes and you might understand why we should keep a eye on it.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Law Dog] #6820285
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Just look up how the National Firearm Act got passes and you might understand why we should keep a eye on it.


Well yes we need to keep an eye on it. It’s our responsibility as citizens to watch what our elected officials do. But look at the demographics of congress in 1934. Not only majority Democrat’s, it was heavily controlled by the democrats. You also have to look at the wordage in the NFA. It doesn’t ban any gun. It is nearly impossible for the Supreme Court to rule it unconstitutional because it doesn’t ban our right to own an SBR or fully automatic weapon. It does make it more difficult to get one, which I personal think infringes on our rights, but it doesn’t ban them. That’s why I said when a bill says it’s going to ban a type of firearm, they k ow it won’t pass or will get ruled unconstitutional.

This is why I believe even the anti-gun politicians don’t want AR style guns banned. They understand all this bill stuff. If they wanted to make it so there was less AR style weapons then they would copy the way the NFA got passed and just make it difficult to acquire one. But they haven’t even tried that. Everything has been a ban bill. They like ARs being out there, and they like gun crime, and love mass shootings. It’s an emotional tool they can use to get elected. You remove guns which wouldn’t stop gun crime anyways, but if it did then they would have one less emotional tool to use to get elected. Liberals use fear and emotion to win. They don’t want to lose those campaign tools.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820292
03/28/20 11:28 AM
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If you want to talk politics start another thread. This is strictly about me wanting info on building an AR and I kindly thank those of you who have given some really good info.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820301
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Originally Posted by Wild_Idaho
If you want to talk politics start another thread. This is strictly about me wanting info on building an AR and I kindly thank those of you who have given some really good info.


I apologize. But to answer your question about the buffer tube. The tube it self doesn’t need to match your gas system. The springs are all the same length so they stop the bolt the same. So they are stopped the same. You’ll feel the recoil more with the shorter tubes, but it’s still minimal. What needs to be matched is the buffer itself. The shorter they had system, the more pressure you have on the blowback, and the heavier buffer you need. The longer the gas system the lighter the buffer needs to be. To heavy of a buffer can give you some misfeeds. But even with this, it doesn’t need to be over thought. The only time it really matters is with a pistol length gas system. A lot of manufacture will label there heavier buffers as a buffer made for pistol style. Any standard buffer tube would work for carbine-rifle length. With an 18” barrel you’ll have a mid length gas system, which is becoming the most popular gas system length even for 16” barrels.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820306
03/28/20 11:39 AM
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It actually wasn't me who asked that, but that is some good info to know about it. I was glad that Forest asked though. So thanks for the info. Sorry, don't mean to come off like a Richard but I don't come on this site for the politics whatsoever.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Scuba1] #6820326
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Unless you want to go sub sonic, the Grendel is heads and shoulders above the 300 BO for pretty much every application. I like my Grendel a lot. If I want to go quiet sub sonic, I would break out the 458 SOCOM with heavy bullets 550 + grains and put a can on it.


How is the .458 SOCOM on fur, regarding entry/exit hole. grin A lot of what I do with this AR will be some calling coyotes and wolves in the spring and early fall. Other than that just some occasional target shooting.

Last edited by Wild_Idaho; 03/28/20 12:42 PM.

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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Scuba1] #6820334
03/28/20 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Originally Posted by Forest
Here are some more questions for you guys...
What size barrel for coyote hunting?
I am in wooded areas with shorter range. So I figured 18 inch would do me fine. Someone like the OP in Idaho might want to go with 22. Or doesn’t it matter that much.

I have been told you have to match you buffer tube with your barrel if you go for a longer barrel. Buffer tube needs to be longer to accommodate a longer gas tube?

Has anyone used the 6.5 Grendel for deer? Any recommendations on that?
I understand you only need a new mag, BCG, and barrel and you can run grendel through the same lower?


Unless you want to go sub sonic, the Grendel is heads and shoulders above the 300 BO for pretty much every application. I like my Grendel a lot. If I want to go quiet sub sonic, I would break out the 458 SOCOM with heavy bullets 550 + grains and put a can on it.


6.5 Grendel has low recoil and high accuracy, but the level of barrel erosion is quite high and its bore can burn out quickly. Meanwhile, 300 Blackout is very easy to use, all you need is a new barrel. However, 300 Blackout only works well in the close ranges. He asked about something for close in. I like the fact that I can shoot 110 grain and 220 subsonic with a 7.62 suppressor and not have hardly any damage to the pelt. Way less than a close shot with the 6.5 Grendel. The 458 requires a different suppressor and would be way over kill for a close coyote. I shot one with a Valkyrie and an 88 grain bullet and destroyed the coyote. I have different guns for different senarios. I guess if you just want one gun, figure out where most of your shots will be and what your target is and go from there.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820337
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Buffers come in different sizes for several reasons the M4 Type is shorter, the full length ones come in different weights to regulate the rate of fire on the M16 types


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820647
03/28/20 04:13 PM
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He did ask about how it performed on deer not Coyotes. So I stand by what I said that a 458 SOCOM would be what I would use if I planned to go sub sonic. Mine is loaded with super sonic rounds in 350 grain and is my designated truck gun. Because ya never know when one could encounter a rogue truck with bad intentions. grin


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6820865
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Oh, when I read it it says how is the 458 on fur? Mainly calling wolves and mostly coyotes. Everyone has their own opinion and can buy or build what they like. I like a .300 WSM suppressed for deer, makes no difference, works for me. No two people in different parts of the country are going to have the same likes or needs. He was asking for opinions, that is all I gave.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6821065
03/28/20 10:01 PM
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Alright thanks guys. Your input here has helped a lot. I'm sure I'll still have more questions. After shooting a .300 blackout with a friend today I decided to go with that. That was a real fun firearm and sounds like that will make a good predator gun. Ordered an Anderson lower yesterday. BCA upper today with side charging handle to avoid complications with a scope.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6821073
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I have a BCA upper in 458 socom. I dont think i would have recommended them. It functions but accuracy sucks. The ejection port cover came broken and needs replaced. Price was right though for a toy.


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6827473
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First part of the process came today. Almost as good as getting a box of traps from MTP.

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That should keep you busy for 20 minutes smile


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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6827543
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Originally Posted by Wild_Idaho
First part of the process came today. Almost as good as getting a box of traps from MTP.

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I agree

Re: AR-15 Build [Re: adam m] #6828866
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Originally Posted by adam m
Originally Posted by Wild_Idaho
First part of the process came today. Almost as good as getting a box of traps from MTP.

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I agree



I got to of the Anderson lower kits in the mail today. Will buy two stripped lowers tomorrow and get them put together.

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Not happy with my anderson parts. I took the new AR out yesterday, several issues happened.

Every other round would fire. The buffer retainer cracked in half which sent the buffer spring over and the buffer tube is chipped in the middle. The rear take down pin chipped when the buffer spring went over the retainer. All of this was within 12 rounds. I had to email Anderson since they aren't answering phones due to Corona Virus.

Gas system and buffer are carbine length.

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Re: AR-15 Build [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6832977
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Got it built today, now just need some optics and a bipod.

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I have a Nikon 3 x 12 x 40 on mine with the " I think its called the BCD reticle " where you can dial in the distance in yards ...... Its pretty close with my 62grain hand loads and makes life dead easy. And it don't beak the bank either.


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