Conservative Atheists
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Is there such a thing? I hear a lot of folks around here claim to be “conservative” yet they don’t believe in a “God”. I’m kind-of confused by that. Is there a different kind of conservatism that doesn’t believe in God or the Constitution as written?
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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I don't see why you can't believe in whatever you want (as far as religion goes) and still be conservative.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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The Constitution is written in plain English. And there are more Amendments than the 2nd.
US Constitution Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Seperation of Church and State.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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Probably no different that a person who says you aren't a Christian if you drink alcohol.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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I don't see why you can't believe in whatever you want (as far as religion goes) and still be conservative. AMEN ......errrr X2 X3!
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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The Constitution is written in plain English. And there are more Amendments than the 2nd.
US Constitution Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Seperation of Church and State. "Separation of church and state" is found nowhere in the constitution, that phrase comes from a letter written in 1802 by Thomas Jefferson. The amendment says "congress shall make no law...." If the founders wanted it to say "separation of church and state, they would have put that phrase in there. They didn't just willy-nilly write stuff down and hope people would get the idea. The plain text of the amendment says congress shall make no law, so if the action in question isn't a law made by congress, it doesn't violate the text. It seems they specifically intended it to apply to laws made by the legislative branch of government that would show preference to a religion, or prevent someone from exercising their religion. If the president for example got up and started a speech with "I'd love it if all Americans worshipped the flying spaghetti monster", or started the state of the union with a prayer to allah, it wouldn't violate the plain text of the amendment. I realize this doesn't fly with the current understanding of the document, this is just my own interpretation.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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Well you have to have a “creator” for the Declaration of Independence to work. The Constitution and Bill of Right describe the function of the newly formed nation. The 3 together form the legal basis to exist as a nation, as they were presented. You can declare yourself an independent nation, but another country must acknowledge you as such. Like the US did for Israel not that long who.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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One of the worse things that happened to the Republican party was the religious right
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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Is there such a thing? I hear a lot of folks around here claim to be “conservative” yet they don’t believe in a “God”. I’m kind-of confused by that. Is there a different kind of conservatism that doesn’t believe in God or the Constitution as written? Religion and politics are two different things.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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I don't see why you can't believe in whatever you want (as far as religion goes) and still be conservative. AMEN ......errrr X2 X 6
Eh...wot?
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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I consider myself conservative agnostic, not atheist.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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An atheist can still have many if not most of the same values (moral, fiscal and political) of a conservative believer, I see no conflict in that.
Our Countries founding philosophy is that God gave us our rights, therefore no man (or government) can take those rights from us. You don't have to believe in God to benefit from that philosophical doctrine, an atheist can still hold to that philosophy even though they don't believe in God.
What is dangerous are people who want to be able to decide what rights we should have regardless as to whether or not they believe in God. There have been plenty of people who claim to be believers who have wanted to trample on people's God given rights.
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Re: Conservative Atheists
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Well you have to have a “creator” for the Declaration of Independence to work. The Constitution and Bill of Right describe the function of the newly formed nation. The 3 together form the legal basis to exist as a nation, as they were presented. You can declare yourself an independent nation, but another country must acknowledge you as such. Like the US did for Israel not that long who. You do have a creator no matter what you believe.Weather it was a God , the Universe or nature. It created you.
You only live once, so get over it!
Tactics may change but the goal remains the same.
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