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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: loosegoose] #6820702
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Spot on loosegoose. Most people don’t know that or want to know that.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: loosegoose] #6820705
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
The Constitution is written in plain English. And there are more Amendments than the 2nd.

US Constitution Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Seperation of Church and State.


"Separation of church and state" is found nowhere in the constitution, that phrase comes from a letter written in 1802 by Thomas Jefferson. The amendment says "congress shall make no law...." If the founders wanted it to say "separation of church and state, they would have put that phrase in there. They didn't just willy-nilly write stuff down and hope people would get the idea. The plain text of the amendment says congress shall make no law, so if the action in question isn't a law made by congress, it doesn't violate the text. It seems they specifically intended it to apply to laws made by the legislative branch of government that would show preference to a religion, or prevent someone from exercising their religion. If the president for example got up and started a speech with "I'd love it if all Americans worshipped the flying spaghetti monster", or started the state of the union with a prayer to allah, it wouldn't violate the plain text of the amendment. I realize this doesn't fly with the current understanding of the document, this is just my own interpretation.


Did you read the first 10 words in the 1st Amendment ?????? That right there seperated church and state !

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Steven 49er] #6820708
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I thought it was when didn't quote correctly and I'm not motivated enough to worry correction.

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820714
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Do you want to know another implication of those 10 words ? Churches should be paying tax's ! It's Constitutionally illegal for them not to.

Last edited by muddyriverdogz; 03/28/20 05:21 PM.

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820739
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I used to know a guy who claimed he was an atheist but want to remain a virgin until he was married. That was certainly a head scratcher to by 21-year old brain...


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6820747
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
Do you want to know another implication of those 10 words ? Churches should be paying tax's ! It's Constitutionally illegal for them not to.


Then why has the court disagreed with your analysis ?


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820756
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If you look around the world,most if not all the religious fanatics are highly conservative in their politics-Taliban,Alcaida,Isis,etc,
I think there is a connection there.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Boco] #6820767
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Originally Posted by Boco
If you look around the world,most if not all the religious fanatics are highly conservative in their politics-Taliban,Alcaida,Isis,etc,
I think there is a connection there.


Truer words have never been spoken, the "etc" may hit a bit too close to home for some.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820769
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Conservatism can mean fiscal conservationism, moral conservatism, or social conservatism. A true libertarian would probably be considered ultra-conservative by many although a true libertarian would be open to different moral opinions as long as they didn't infringe on the freedom of others.

Conservatism usually means a desire to keep things the same, or traditional, or to return to a previous way of thinking and living. For some it's about religion but everyone has their own definition.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820775
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I think words are just that or at least what definition the receiver puts on them. How many times does the bible mention liberal , and how many times does it mention conservative. I can see it now "Love one another, but very conservatively".

Its just a play on words and one word don't fit all circumstances.
Write the Name of God over the church door then have an ordained gay preacher marry gay couples. Being associated to a gathering of people doesn't mean Godly whether conservative or liberal.
I think I've seen Hillary in church a time or two on tv, so there is a godly person that believes in killing babies?
A magician likes to deceive and that's what we have in the church world today.
Many will say we are all the Children of God when really some are, and some are just God's creation.

And then many of us remember the great definition of what the word "is" is, lol.

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820790
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Wow, I just realized this may be one of the first religion oriented threads to have not devolved into name calling and bashing by the second page.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: waggler] #6820803
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Originally Posted by waggler
Wow, I just realized this may be one of the first religion oriented threads to have not devolved into name calling and bashing by the second page.

How dare you! Ya rotten piece of crud! laugh


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820806
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I'm Atheist. I hate the term conservative and liberal. I would say I'm fiscally conservative, fairly liberal in my belief you should just leave people alone and not worry about what they do in their bedroom. Both sides are control freaks, and both sides are hypocrites. Live and let live.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820816
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I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Posco] #6820819
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Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.


Because there is NO possibility of the existence of a god. No need to mince words. smile

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820821
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There’s lots of them. Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld says he’s an agnostic atheist.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: ] #6820826
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Originally Posted by CGilliam
Because there is NO possibility of the existence of a god. No need to mince words. smile


That's a pretty dogmatic statement. Your proof?

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Bigbrownie] #6820828
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld says he’s an agnostic atheist.


He's ambiguously straight and I still like the guy.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Posco] #6820836
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Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.

Just the idea of "adamantly" disbelieving anything seems a little strange. I don't believe in trolls, gremlins or tooth fairies, but I wouldn't waste two seconds arguing for my position of disbelief.
It has always made me a little curious why many atheists seem to feel a need to argue their disbelief in God.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: waggler] #6820841
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Originally Posted by waggler
It has always made me a little curious why many atheists seem to feel a need to argue their disbelief in God.


I've wondered that for a long time myself.

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