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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820621
03/28/20 03:55 PM
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A lot of good points being made as well as a lot of difficult decisions. I’m in NY but I’m 250 miles from NYC and so far only one confirmed case in the county. Non the less my wife and are are in very good health but also in our late 60’s This is our 12th day of isolation. Friends however tell me everything is busy and packed with people. Walmart is still the social focus point in my city of 10,000. Do these people need protection from themselves or do I need protection from them? I’m not waiting for my government to make that determination. Pres. Trump has just announced he is considering a mandotory blockade for the NY, NJ, CT area. Not sure if he has the legal authority or if they can even enforce it with so many roads and highways. If feels to me like an over reach. Scary times both from the health aspect and the civil liberties aspect.

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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820634
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Maybe a better way to express it is the old saying that "Your rights end at the tip of my nose".[/quote]


White i have alot of respect for you as i have said in other posts and in pms
But if we are using quotes to make our point lets start with
"Those that give up freedom for liberty deserve neither "

Im just posting the question if one is so worried that they feel i need to be locked down why are they out in public and not locked down themselves?


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820657
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Frankly I am surprised that anyone...especially a parent...would be out where they or their kids could be exposed or expose others.

If everyone infected showed symptoms, this would be a lot easier to handle. It's those that are asymptomatic that are the threat to everyone else.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820685
03/28/20 04:46 PM
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I am self quarantined, but did have to go out yesterday for supplies. Got a great deal on chicken which was a nice surprise. Anyway, I do see where the Fed's and the States have a long leash. I think we are ahead of the curve in preventing 19 and glad most people have commonsense. I do believe though that there is a limit somewhere. If you have grocery stores and weed shops open, gun shops should be open as well.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820741
03/28/20 05:41 PM
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Grocery stores are open because you need food to stay a live . I own several guns but you don't need one to stay alive.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820762
03/28/20 05:56 PM
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Precedent, see the Black Republican.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820777
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I wish some of you guys could read the 100 years ago column in my local newspaper. During the Spanish flue pandemic a lot of this quarantine stuff was done, at least here in our county. Families were quarantined in there houses by order of the county health doctor, people at the diner counters had to leave 2 seats between customers, grocery stores an cafes had a 5 customer max at one time. One town in the county wasn't going to shut it's public school down, next day the sheriff and deputies barred the students from entering the school and told the school board members either close the doors or be jailed. Lots of businesses were shut down, this is nothing new, it just hasn't been done in our lifetime. The state had the power to do this things then and now.

There was an account of one family being helped by an older woman. She would ride her horse across the section and pick up a note left by the sickened family on the front porch. She would then ride to town and pick up what supplies the family needed and deliver them to the porch and leave them the next day. Did this several times. The mother and 2 daughter survived because of the neighbor lady, her husband and 2 other children didn't.

I wonder what that angel on horseback would think about how people act today?

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820893
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Watching the news tonight, it seems they are mandating stay at home practices all over the world, not just the US. We should have done it sooner if anything.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: rex123] #6820920
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Originally Posted by rex123
Grocery stores are open because you need food to stay a live . I own several guns but you don't need one to stay alive.

When supplies run low or the confined get squirrely, you will need one to stay alive lol.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820934
03/28/20 07:57 PM
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Wife went shopping yesterday picked up everything but carrots and the truck was being unloaded still no real shortages here yet.

I went to the State Hospital to drop a guy off, no restrictions here but not much business out there to worry about the dollar store did not have a shopper it looked like, not sure it’s worth keeping the doors open.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6820938
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Grocery stores are open because you need food to stay a live . I own several guns but you don't need one to stay alive.


That's up for debate!

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: white17] #6820999
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Originally Posted by white17
Frankly I am surprised that anyone...especially a parent...would be out where they or their kids could be exposed or expose others.

If everyone infected showed symptoms, this would be a lot easier to handle. It's those that are asymptomatic that are the threat to everyone else.



It’s because they don’t take it seriously in my opinion.

“It’s just the flu” and “it’s like the common cold” according to some.


Honestly, if people were to see footage of hospitals that are being overwhelmed (with cases steadily increasing) and ice rinks being used as morgues to keep up with deaths, more people might appreciate the efforts thus far to slow its spread. To be clear, I was referring to what’s happening in Spain and Italy, just to make my point of what can be. Thankfully we’re in a better position here with better options, but I still believe it’s important to consider what this virus can be. It’s not so much that it’ deadly like Ebola, because it isn’t. However, Ebola doesn’t sp
read like this one. A small percentage matters when it’s being caught by hundreds, thousands, and millions rather than by dozens. Also, people seem to only care about fatalities. If it’s anything like the flu, without a cure, I want to avoid that! A bad case of the flu can be rough! I believe that if these measures hadn’t been taken, we’d be looking at much, much different times today.

A virus that is contagious for weeks without symptoms? Troubling.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821034
03/28/20 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by adam m
Thanks for the wsj article White. It's interesting for sure.

The mischief is going to heat up if these orders aren't lifted soon.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why 2a stores are considered non-essential?


Our libtard governor did that but state supreme court reversed it!!


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: rex123] #6821038
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Originally Posted by rex123
Grocery stores are open because you need food to stay a live . I own several guns but you don't need one to stay alive.



U might one day!!!


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: GROUSEWIT] #6821042
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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
Originally Posted by rex123
Grocery stores are open because you need food to stay a live . I own several guns but you don't need one to stay alive.



U might one day!!!



Maybe sooner than you think the way things are going.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821490
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That's awesome GROUSEWIT. I hope our supreme court rules in favor of the gun stores being deemed essential. I know all guns stores in NM were to be closed by end of today, but that was before the the fed's stated gun stores are essential.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821505
03/29/20 09:49 AM
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Going to be a lot of self appointed idiots out there over stepping their boundaries making up rules they have no power to enforce really. You have to consider how many local commissioners that run local governments that never ran a hotdog stand really. Think about that power gone wild or just zero experience to go on.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821516
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It's kinda crazy how they how they are picking and choosing things..Both my kids work in large Grocery chain store. Got some goofy rules in place there now.. They can get wrote up for sitting closer than 6ft from each other in the break room. Being to close to customers out on the floor.. Yet they still have people bagging or people on some check out lines. They just installed plex glass shields in front of the check out people at registers. Yet the same day they reset the meat and deli cases where clerks serve people?? So my son now has to do counter service again one on one with customers. Wasn't even 5 days before they pulled the cases to limit their contact..
I get it to a point people coming in store is hard to separate is going to be some contact. My son was kinda POed that resetting the case seemed more about money than worker or patron contact/safety.. They were doing fine plating items and putting them in self pick cases.
It's hard to get everyone on same page I guess..The store has been doing record sales and it's been hard to keep some items stocked. So why put back in services that up the customer emplyee contacts??

I don't think they should have to close the gun shops think that just a grab.. Don't know why there is a rush though either?? can't believe there are than many new gun buyers??


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821548
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What I find sadly humerous is that a gunstore is non-essential and a liquor stores are deemed essential. Sad.


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