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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: warrior] #6821161
03/28/20 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
We could go round and round all night but until you look these folks in the eyes and see the fear you'll never understand.

I understand. I really do. It spreads easily, it kills a lot of people, and it's growing quickly. I get that. What I don't understand is the need to shut the country down for it. Yes, lots of people may die, but lots of people die from other stuff too. I don't mean to keep beating the horse that is the flu comparison, but 20,000 people minimum die from the flu, and that's a lot of people. If the concern with the coronavirus is that it might kill a lot of people, then that same concern should transfer over to other diseases that spread easily and unnecessary too. If shutting down is the appropriate thing to do to prevent coronavirus deaths, then why is not the appropriate thing to do to prevent flu deaths. If it's necessary to only allow essential travel to prevent coronavirus deaths, then why is it acceptable to allow non-essential travel at other times when we know without a doubt that it causes deaths both from disease spread and auto accidents? We're all destined to die from the moment we were conceived in the womb, none of us will escape it. Lots of people may die from the coronavirus, and maybe unnecessarily so due to people not doing the social distancing thing. But guess what.... they're going to die no matter what. I'm going to die. You're going to die. We're all going to die. Maybe from coronavirus, maybe from flu, maybe from a car crash, maybe from heart disease, maybe from cancer, maybe from old age. But it's inevitable, and not to be feared. It can't be escaped.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821179
03/28/20 11:15 PM
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There is a vaccine for the flu---so that helps keep the number of deaths down. There is no vaccine for the new virus.
Again--for all you hard heads-or dumb (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) as some have said. The new virus spreads easier and faster than our normal flu.Also the normal flu is something we have had several times in our lives.

The old saying--Better to be safe than sorry--seems very appropriate at this time.
Tom


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821183
03/28/20 11:19 PM
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Bogmaster Tom,

To be empathetic towards the tender ones, and fore armed in protection, is a mighty thing. Putting faces to the suffering makes all the difference.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821184
03/28/20 11:20 PM
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The flu vac is only 20% effective , prolly why so many deaths


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821186
03/28/20 11:24 PM
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The normal flues we get every year are not pandemic,because their rate of spread is fragmented by populations that have already been exposed and have acquired some level of immunity.
Covid 19 is a novel virus -brand new -never been around before- so it is pandemic.No barriers at all to its ability to spread unimpeded.
The next time it comes around it will be like the other flues that circulate-not pandemic.
But there will very likely be future viruses that are brand new and will be pandemic for their first circulation throughout the world.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821187
03/28/20 11:26 PM
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I guess my wife and I have just been lucky with the flu the last few years.we haven't gotten the flu or had any negative results from the vaccine.
I also bet those that the got the corona virus,would have had at least a 20% chance of avoiding it.
Tom


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821188
03/28/20 11:27 PM
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Am I the only one who feels bad for the flu?
Its being cheated out of killing all of the people which this new bug is killing.
Someone try to convince me that this is not happening. This new bug may be doing it quicker since it spreads more easily, but the same people with the predispositions to be prone to dying from the flu are being killed by the new bug in town.
I know a lot of people who are prone to catastrophe if they should get the flu or this new bug, and I do not want to lose them to either one of them, but the reality is, you cannot win a stare down with death. He never blinks.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: AntiGov] #6821193
03/28/20 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
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That has had me thinking all along. Not to discount the COVID-19 situation and the unknowns there, but two acquaintances of my mom's died in the last two weeks, both from seasonal flu (both who had this year's flu shot). Is it that there are 400,000 to 730,000 hospitalizations to date this winter from influenza - but this particular Coronavirus is adding just enough hospitalizations on top of that to that to push the hospital bed requirements over the limits in some highly populated areas?

I am concerned about some of the unknowns with this virus, and data always consumes and fascinates me, but I am bothered by some of the news reporting emphasis on increased numbers when there is increased testing. The more testing done, the higher the numbers will go. I would expect every state to show rising numbers commensurate with its testing. Those numbers won't accurately reflect increased cases unless routine testing of the entire population is available. If such a situation were possible, then we would have the total population, a total of positive tests (both symptomatic and asymptomatic), a total of deaths (after eliminating other underlying causes) and some real numbers. If we could continue to repeat that testing, we would then know if the actual numbers of people infected is increasing or decreasing. That would be so valuable, but not likely to happen. At any rate, it is frustrating to hear how cases increase dramatically (right after testing increased dramatically). It would be nice to get some straight data without sensationalized numbers as headlines.

This is a strange situation, especially with the dichotomy between the less vulnerable (highly infectious, potentially asymptomatic young people) and the more vulnerable (older or at-risk due to underlying health issues). It is probably easier to change the behavior of people if they or their peers are getting sick.

Another thought - Widespread antibody testing would be a game-changer. We could begin to identify a growing immune population to support the rest and power the medical and the economic engine in increasing numbers. That would be sweet.

Just thinking out loud. I hope you all stay healthy.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821204
03/28/20 11:57 PM
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# of infected people is a misleading stat. # of deaths attributed to kung flu is a better stat to follow although it can also be somewhat misleading......but not as much as # of infected.

This is like a shtf video.....come to life.....


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821209
03/29/20 12:04 AM
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I read where there is a shortage of antiviral medication for the amount of people being infected with coronavirus.
What most people dont know is that there are lots of antiviral decoctions that can be brewed from common plant medicinals in the bush.
I have been taking mine every night now for about 10 days and will continue for the next few weeks until this pandemic is passed.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Taximan] #6821219
03/29/20 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Taximan
Over 100 doctors lost,so far to Covid19,in the US.

Haven’t seen this number anywhere.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: wallfur] #6821220
03/29/20 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wallfur
why are we even comparing this to other deaths its not even relevant to stopping this virus! 64 abortions preformed per day in this country but the flu and auto accidents cause more deaths so that makes it ok? your trying to compare apples to oranges here....I have never been a doomsdayer or the sky is falling but this virus has got my attention ...it has bigger potential than the last virus out of china had...it time to help stop this worldwide virus. and china needs to shut down there wet markets and held accountable or this will continue year after year with greater consequences!


About 3000 abortions each day in the US.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Bogmaster] #6821237
03/29/20 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster


The old saying--Better to be safe than sorry--seems very appropriate at this time.
Tom


I disagree. The economic cost of being "safe" will make us all, "sorry"!
You still have an income, Tom? No financial worries for you?
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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821241
03/29/20 12:52 AM
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The corona virus is not what is really killing all these people. It is being unhealthy that is killing them. Being unhealthy ussualy increases your chance of death. If i was unhealthy, i would isolate myself to increase my chance of survivaj and stop relying on the behavior of others to increase your odds for survival.




















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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821243
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The economic tsunami is headed to shore.....POTUS thinks he can hold it off but I do not think that will happen. Prepare for hardship......I think that the spoiled young folks are in for a bit of a surprise.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Marty] #6821245
03/29/20 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
The economic tsunami is headed to shore.....POTUS thinks he can hold it off but I do not think that will happen. Prepare for hardship......I think that the spoiled young folks are in for a bit of a surprise.


I think you're right.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Dirt] #6821249
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Originally Posted by Dirt
The corona virus is not what is really killing all these people. It is being unhealthy that is killing them. Being unhealthy ussualy increases your chance of death. If i was unhealthy, i would isolate myself to increase my chance of survivaj and stop relying on the behavior of others to increase your odds for survival.

Pretty well summed it up, dirt!
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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Bigbrownie] #6821254
03/29/20 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Originally Posted by Taximan
Over 100 doctors lost,so far to Covid19,in the US.

Haven’t seen this number anywhere.


Neither have I but it's being reported fifty doctors have died from the virus or complications thereof in Italy. This could turn into a real nightmare fast.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Bigbrownie] #6821258
03/29/20 01:12 AM
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To all of you who think this is not a big deal==> visit Hobby Lobby.
You think they close their doors on a whim?

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821265
03/29/20 01:30 AM
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Visit the latest covid-19 projections-IHME.. 81,000 projected dead, not many more than a bad flu year. ....this is obviously on top of the flu.......and assuming projections are correct


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