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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821271
03/29/20 01:53 AM
03/29/20 01:53 AM
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Martentrapper--with the shutdown ,the shows I was scheduled to do have been canceled.With it was much needed income.So yes I have economic worries,
But if I ended up dead--added income would do me little good.
Tom


If my feet aren't wet,I must not be trapping.
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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Marty] #6821285
03/29/20 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
The economic tsunami is headed to shore.....POTUS thinks he can hold it off but I do not think that will happen. Prepare for hardship......I think that the spoiled young folks are in for a bit of a surprise.


I'm not going to make wild speculations about the origin of this virus... But natural or contrived, the situation is being exploited to further an agenda.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821295
03/29/20 03:45 AM
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This things gonna be a disaster, sickness and economics. There are the die hard trump supporters and conspiracy theorists, but its real and gonna be bad. There have been more reasonable and realistic posts on this thread than most. Take it seriously, its just getting started. Whether u wanna believe it gets people sick or kills people or whatever, its going to bust a lot of small business owners nationwide and those who work for them. My wife works for a large hospital in a non emergency department and shes laid off in 2 weeks, no pay, for an undetermined amount of time. She makes more than i do. So we will have to tighten things up for i dont know how long. We have a good savings, which id like to not touch but it may happen. Yet there are the idiots who just repeat how this isnt a big deal its fake news ect. They need slapped. Hard

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821301
03/29/20 04:23 AM
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Not to downplay the deaths from this Chinese Flu, but I cant remember gut shooting our economy during the 2009 Swine Flu when 18,000 Americans died. Including 1,600 children.

My guess is this tragedy will coincide with a push by the deep state globalist to take down the US with the help of their fake media.

This is a bad flue that will hit the elderly hard this first year, but should be under control soon.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821308
03/29/20 05:16 AM
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Its spring time in KS. Getting to the end of Flu season.

For the last year we have all been making money. Anybody who wanted to work and was healthy enough to do it, was working.

Thats over. I am worried we're on the edge of another depression. The last one started all the socialism we have now. Really pushed forward the idea of fiat currency. I expect now there will be no currency. Just computer money. The end of any anonymity any body had.

It has been at least a decade since I have watched TV. I don't like being told what to think about stuff. Like this virus.

What I think is, that the idea of individual rights is out the window. People are accepting that politicians can issue proclamations and the chattel must obey. That acceptance comes from one source. A tv set.

If your health is compromised by age, asthma, cancer, COPD, weak immune system or anything else, you should be limiting exposure in every flu season.

I think the world has gone mad


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821311
03/29/20 05:24 AM
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P.S. We are up to SEVEN deaths per million in the U.S.



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One person dies every 37 seconds in the United States from cardiovascular disease. About 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease costs the United States about $219 billion each year from 2014 to 2015.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821318
03/29/20 05:42 AM
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In 1918 the flu killed 5% of the U.S. population. 5% of the U.S. population today would be 16.4 million. This flu hasn't even hit ten thousand yet


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821327
03/29/20 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Its spring time in KS. Getting to the end of Flu season.

For the last year we have all been making money. Anybody who wanted to work and was healthy enough to do it, was working.

Thats over. I am worried we're on the edge of another depression. The last one started all the socialism we have now. Really pushed forward the idea of fiat currency. I expect now there will be no currency. Just computer money. The end of any anonymity any body had.

It has been at least a decade since I have watched TV. I don't like being told what to think about stuff. Like this virus.

What I think is, that the idea of individual rights is out the window. People are accepting that politicians can issue proclamations and the chattel must obey. That acceptance comes from one source. A tv set.

If your health is compromised by age, asthma, cancer, COPD, weak immune system or anything else, you should be limiting exposure in every flu season.

I think the world has gone mad


Corona: from Latin, crown.

Once more, subjects of the crown. Ironic huh?

And that bit about individual rights going out the window is dead on. I've seen the conversations on Facebook. The sheep are bleating for the government to step in and crack down... And they're willing to tattle on anyone who doesn't play along.

It's disgusting.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821334
03/29/20 06:22 AM
03/29/20 06:22 AM
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Less than 1 per million have been jailed for breaking quarantine I'd wager.

You don't wait till things are bad to take PREVENTATIVE action.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821341
03/29/20 06:34 AM
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The excuse of every tyrant in history.

Mike


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821344
03/29/20 06:38 AM
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run turkey lurkey run. the sky is falling said henny penny


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821346
03/29/20 06:41 AM
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Just because you can't comprehend something, it doesn't make you right.


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821350
03/29/20 06:52 AM
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I can see just fine. I'm not on facebook and don't watch TV. Makes me a little harder to brainwash


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821351
03/29/20 06:58 AM
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Have a good day Danny.

I'm going to go start mine. smile


Levi
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821369
03/29/20 07:25 AM
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Folks seem to think that since some of us aren't gung ho about tossing out liberties that we're stupid, selfish, or "can't comprehend what's going on."

I'm an electrician. An "essential employee" Right now I'm working in a medical facility.

I've taken stock of the risks... My wife had surgery in late February. A few weeks ago she started hemhorraging and almost bled to death before I could get her to the hospital. She had emergency surgery and is now home with some pretty serious stitches holding her together... Not a good candidate for anything with Corona symptoms. Especially the cough.

I have an 8 month old granddaughter that means the world to me.

My folks are old enough to be in the higher risk category.

I don't go out unless I have to. I don't congregate. I don't interact. But that's because I know that's the responsible way to behave.

But if you think I'm going to crap on the Constitution on the off chance it'll make me feel safer, you're dead wrong. What if we enact all this mandatory garbage and my family members die anyway?

And the standard naive BS response is, "It's just temporary measures."

Until they're permanently temporary. Government rarely gives up any power they pick up. And y'all are willing to hand them the reins with thunderous applause. I'm sure Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of their ilk are wetting their pants right now. And the folks on here who talk the biggest smack about FDR are the ones screaming for more government control right now.

You better take a long hard look at what you're asking for... There's hundreds of thousands of white markers standing over the graves of people who fought for the freedom you're willing to kick to the curb.

Social distance all you want. But shut off the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) TV and act like an American when it counts.

Mike


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821378
03/29/20 07:34 AM
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Well said, Mike. Thank you.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: Bogmaster] #6821448
03/29/20 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
There is a vaccine for the flu---so that helps keep the number of deaths down. There is no vaccine for the new virus.
Again--for all you hard heads-or dumb (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) as some have said. The new virus spreads easier and faster than our normal flu.Also the normal flu is something we have had several times in our lives.

The old saying--Better to be safe than sorry--seems very appropriate at this time.
Tom

This could very well be the end of the world - I agree with a Vikings fan.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821456
03/29/20 09:00 AM
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This has nothing to do with "being and American" or giving up our Freedoms (nice try) . This has to do with doing what's right for our fellow man so they don't die with the feeling of an elephant standing on their chest. It's pretty simple and it's called being "selfless".

It's real clear here who believes money has more value than human life. And most of you are old enough you should have banked enough to get you through this smiling. If not maybe check out Dave Ramsey (Christian based money guy) when this blows over.

Here's a couple for you that seem to have things out of order.

"Keep your life free from the love of money and be content with what you have." Hebrews 13.5

"whomever loves money will never have enough".

" whomever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income....Which is MEANINGLESS".

What's in your wallet? Pfffft.


The insane are running the asylum.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821495
03/29/20 09:38 AM
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wow... this is getting good.

I love those saying how this is a joke, the death rates are so low, more people die of heart attacks, how about more people simply die !!

Where is the .1 or 1.0 % number coming from that I see on occasion ??

Asking because I'm coming up with 18 % death rate, and here's how i'm getting that number - as of this posting time:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


CLOSED CASES



Cases which had an outcome: 178,535


Recovered / Discharged: 146,396 (82%)


Deaths: 32,139 (18%)

Now, this is important - I only go by closed cases, because total cases do not have an outcome yet.

Also this is world wide, and there is no sign of this leveling off anytime soon, not days, not weeks, possibly/probably not even months.....


My own opinion: The regular flu, and all these other past pandemics, I view/viewed as a joke.
Nobody I know/knew has ever died of the flu.


We don't even bother getting vaccinated against it, because it you are healthy the regular flu ain't a concern.


As for heart disease, how many healthy people succumb to that vs. un-healthy ??


This Coronas virus is different, it does not discriminate, and it sounds like - in China anyway, it comes back once you think it's gone.


I already personally know of one healthy 44 year old male in NYC [Brooklyn] who is most likely going to be another fatality.


My mother, she likes to bring up how would America endure 5 years of hard starvation, like she seen growing up as a child in a part of Germany that today is in Poland during WW II
The older folks - especially from overseas - they know and understand suffering.... because they have lived through it.

We have a couple of cases on the assembly line, one jerk actually came to work and was sent home, believe me when I say he will suffer greatly for that, he will be treated 1000x worse than a scab and will have to watch his back 24/7 from here on in, and it would not surprise me if he is severely beaten at some point in time, because this is being taken very serious here in CT.

I tried to unsuccessfully organize a walk out right after fining out about this incident, oh by the way he said "I hope you all get it" while being forceably removed - but I was the only one who walked out.
*Then, like magic - a policy appeared - what a surprise !! where we can take two weeks off, so I now got two weeks off.

Hopefully when I come back, it's off the assembly line and on my new tow motor job which I just landed.


Oh yeah, back on track.... I feel that the U.S. is two months behind what is in Europe, this is just from watching the numbers.
I also feel that we are not even getting hit that hard yet, I think that will be more like June... since most Americans still view this as a joke.

No problem here - my gates are padlocked shut, ain't nobody paying me a visit anytime soon.... nor am I going anywhere except to help out my folks.

*I'll be back here on T-Man in 5 months, we'll see how things are then.............

Over and Out.... 73s


Last edited by Big George W; 03/29/20 09:47 AM. Reason: forgot a sentence at the end

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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6821509
03/29/20 09:51 AM
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It is fine that the rest of us our sacrificing our personal economics, however I am noticing a lack of protecctive behavior on the part of seniors here in AZ. I understand, some senoirs don't care, but the rest of us are sacrificing to save them and it would appear that they are not doing their part. If the planet was going out of it's way to save me, the least I could do is play along and attempt to live. mad


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