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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820845
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
Do you want to know another implication of those 10 words ? Churches should be paying tax's ! It's Constitutionally illegal for them not to.


Then why has the court disagreed with your analysis ?


It's not analysis. It's in black,white and plain Engish

US Constitution Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

A better question would be why doesn't the court follow the Constitution ?

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6820848
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One of the worse things that happened to the Republican party was the religious right


Why is that?,...a segment acknowledging its foundation?

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6820872
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz


US Constitution Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Did you read the first 10 words in the 1st Amendment ?????? That right there seperated church and state !

No, it doesn't. The first ten words create a prohibition on legislative bodies passing laws that show preference to any religion or prohibit the free exercise of religion, just like it says. No more, no less. If the founders wanted a complete separation between church and state, a complete ban on religion in government, the could have said something like "no member of the government shall show preference or animosity to any religion in an official capacity, and all references to religion shall be banned. Congress shall pass no laws respecting or prohibbing religion. But they didn't. They said "Congress shall make no law....."

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6821074
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz

It's not analysis. It's in black,white and plain Engish

US Constitution Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

A better question would be why doesn't the court follow the Constitution ?



So let me see if I understand your reasoning.
Are you saying that by NOT taxing churches, that government is establishing religion ?

Can you expand on that a bit. ?


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821131
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Here's what a Reverend Bill Wilson write about our founders in 1831. www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/4523883.Bird-Wilson . He did't praise them to good , oh yeah read the Treaty of Tripoli and read Article 11.

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821175
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The United States almost had a State religion, I believe it would have been Congregationalist ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregational_church ).
If it weren't for the objections of the Baptists from western Pennsylvania that's what we would have been stuck with. The "make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
clause was exactly that, Congress could make now law establishing a particular denomination. It did not mean the government could not recognize a particular faith it meant they couldn't establish one.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821415
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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821419
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Then from the point in which you accept Christ you are changed and continue to change. Some more quickly than other. Some slower than others. Some don't change at all.

The US has been of a very strong "biblical or "Christian" in it's founding and intirety. Which produces a lot of Christian or ,"conservative" tendencies" in it's population. This is changing rapidly with the rejection of God in our society now. Which is why we are seeing this national spiral towards communism.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821421
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IMO congress is not choosing a religion by not taxing them. They dont tax any religion. Government is not choosing one over the other. Even the church of the flying spaghetti monster is tax exempt.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821422
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We as a nation recognised God as a whole and that God only has given us our rights and was the only intity that could take them from us. Govt is now taking God's place in America like most other nations. We will also see the complete loss of our inalienable rights due to this because we are putting man in God's place.

If man takes God's place!? Then man can take your rights!

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: waggler] #6821426
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Originally Posted by waggler
The United States almost had a State religion, I believe it would have been Congregationalist ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregational_church ).
If it weren't for the objections of the Baptists from western Pennsylvania that's what we would have been stuck with. The "make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
clause was exactly that, Congress could make now law establishing a particular denomination. It did not mean the government could not recognize a particular faith it meant they couldn't establish one.


Interesting, my parents were members of an Evangelical Congregational church when I was young. That made me a member, or at least an attendee, too.


Eh...wot?

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Posco] #6821431
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Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.


Atheism takes the place of a more normal religion in the lives of many atheists.

Most Atheists are like vegans and saved Christians in that they feel an uncontrollable urge to tell you they are Atheists.

Keith

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6821442
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While most atheist according to polling are liberal, not all are. The smart ones are conservatives. wink

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: waggler] #6821449
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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.

Just the idea of "adamantly" disbelieving anything seems a little strange. I don't believe in trolls, gremlins or tooth fairies, but I wouldn't waste two seconds arguing for my position of disbelief.
It has always made me a little curious why many atheists seem to feel a need to argue their disbelief in God.

yeah, always makes me wonder why some spend so much time trying to prove God doesn't exist. If he don't, then what is the fuss about? I don't spend a great deal of time trying to convince people that Thor doesn't exist. If they want to believe in him, that's their business.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: danny clifton] #6822055
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
IMO congress is not choosing a religion by not taxing them. They dont tax any religion. Government is not choosing one over the other. Even the church of the flying spaghetti monster is tax exempt.


That's how I would interpret the constitution. The government wouldn't favor one Christian religion over another be it Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. Non-Christian religions would fall under the category of a church as well, so taxation wouldn't apply to them either.

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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6822077
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It always seems like the people that believe in nothing worry so much about the people that do believe in something I don’t get it. I care less who you pray to or don’t really, it’s just a personal choice nothing more. I have very close friends that I have no clue what religion they are and I don’t care if they pray to a giant peach.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: KeithC] #6822153
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Posco
I don't know why someone would be an adamant atheist, why rule out the possibilities? Being an atheist doesn't preclude someone from being a conservative, it just ain't very smart.


Atheism takes the place of a more normal religion in the lives of many atheists.

Most Atheists are like vegans and saved Christians in that they feel an uncontrollable urge to tell you they are Atheists.

Keith


What I see mostly is religious people shoving their beliefs off on rational people. I avoid the subject, but when some bible thumper starts ranting about nonsense I'm not going to stand there and let them waste my time. I'll pass on the fairly tales and magic please. And the praying.
So, my point is, don't expect us to sit quietly while you peddle your snake oil.

Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6822180
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I see more non believers going on and on about this or that then people pushing to gain some advantage because of their religion. If you don’t like it don’t listen that’s what I do. I keep my beliefs to myself about religion. I care less about a Christmas display or where the 10 commandments are at, why it bothers seem so petty to me.


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: cfowler] #6822202
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I'm willing to let anyone believe whatever they want. That means I have to take the bad with the good in recognition of that...

However that doesn't mean I have to agree, condone, or be party to their beliefs.

This country would be in a lot better shape if people would mind their own business and quit trying to legislate their version of morality on everyone else.

Mike


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Re: Conservative Atheists [Re: Mike in A-town] #6822207
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
I'm willing to let anyone believe whatever they want. That means I have to take the bad with the good in recognition of that...

However that doesn't mean I have to agree, condone, or be party to their beliefs.

This country would be in a lot better shape if people would mind their own business and quit trying to legislate their version of morality on everyone else.

Mike



Yep should be a no go zone!


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