Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 04:19 PM
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My Grandfather gave up his freedom for almost six years during WW2. My Dad gave up a year of his freedoms in Vietnam. When I was in the Army I was not in combat but gave up certain rights. It is certainly constitutional to lock down folks for their own good and the good of the country. You all think you have rights they cannot touch. You are out of touch. Read this and see where they do have the constitutional authority to do whatever is needed to protect the masses from harm...… https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 04:37 PM
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"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"
Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.
But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.
That is the key difference.
If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.
Mike
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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03/29/20 05:00 PM
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"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"
Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.
But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.
That is the key difference.
If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.
Mike Did you even open the link I put up Mike. In certain situations the CDC can take away your right to swing your fist or for me to move my nose. I cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 05:29 PM
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lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 05:45 PM
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It cost money to keep the lights on, places here can stay open but have closed down because of lack of business even AL’s Oasis our biggest tourist trap sent their servers home and a few managers are only doing take out now.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: danny clifton]
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03/29/20 07:04 PM
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lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited? It is in black and white Danny. All you need is the ability to read it. It is not on tv. It is a power they have. Not what you want but none the less what they have been given by congress and the constitution. Sorry if you thought differently but you are wrong if you think they cannot. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 07:23 PM
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I have not seem not one place I would call busy in the last few weeks.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 07:33 PM
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Jerry,you aren't looking in the right place. Look at your unemployment offices,look at your food shelves---I bet they are busy. Tom
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: LLtrapper]
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03/29/20 07:43 PM
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"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"
Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.
But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.
That is the key difference.
If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.
Mike Did you even open the link I put up Mike. In certain situations the CDC can take away your right to swing your fist or for me to move my nose. I cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre. LLL No I didn't open it. I'm too busy looking in the Constitution for mention of the CDC, nevermind what powers they may or may not have... Funny thing about federal regulatory agencies... Those folks aren't elected. They do what they want with little oversight. I'm more than willing to study and heed their guidelines for dealing with this mess... But their "badge" doesn't mean squat to me. The DOJ has already requested the suspension of habeas corpus. You cool with that too? Mike
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: adam m]
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03/29/20 07:43 PM
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Nothing crazy here people are normal no pushing/shoving over TP, the wife finds what she wants at the store no lines at the fast food drive ups just less then usual some places no business at all and we can roam free here.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
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03/29/20 07:45 PM
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lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited? It is in black and white Danny. All you need is the ability to read it. It is not on tv. It is a power they have. Not what you want but none the less what they have been given by congress and the constitution. Sorry if you thought differently but you are wrong if you think they cannot. LLL The CDC, just like what was said is not going to list what they can't do. According to SCOTUS case law, and some that specialize in it, there are limitaions and gray area's that may get established if this keeps up. I'm all for self quarantines but the Gov does not have carte blanche, as you say they do.
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
[Re: white17]
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03/29/20 07:59 PM
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Doesn't really make me feel any better about it Ken. Mike
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
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03/29/20 08:13 PM
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look at your food shelves---I bet they are busy. Tom I went to the supermarket this afternoon and all of the employees looked beat. I quizzed one young fellow on how they were keeping/holding up. He told me distributors have them on an allotment system, they're getting in partial orders. He said it would be fine if everyone quit panic buying but they're not slowing down. Even Walmart looked the same. I've never seen so many depleted shelves.
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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional?
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Not suggesting it should Mike. Just trying to prevent misinformation. Yes sir. And I appreciate it. Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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