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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821896
03/29/20 03:08 PM
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The good news is that the majority of us on this site already have guns and ammo.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821959
03/29/20 04:19 PM
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My Grandfather gave up his freedom for almost six years during WW2. My Dad gave up a year of his freedoms in Vietnam. When I was in the Army I was not in combat but gave up certain rights. It is certainly constitutional to lock down folks for their own good and the good of the country. You all think you have rights they cannot touch. You are out of touch. Read this and see where they do have the constitutional authority to do whatever is needed to protect the masses from harm...… https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6821976
03/29/20 04:37 PM
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"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"

Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.

But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.

That is the key difference.

If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: Mike in A-town] #6821996
03/29/20 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"

Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.

But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.

That is the key difference.

If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.

Mike

Did you even open the link I put up Mike. In certain situations the CDC can take away your right to swing your fist or for me to move my nose. I cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822030
03/29/20 05:29 PM
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lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822061
03/29/20 05:45 PM
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It cost money to keep the lights on, places here can stay open but have closed down because of lack of business even AL’s Oasis our biggest tourist trap sent their servers home and a few managers are only doing take out now.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: danny clifton] #6822184
03/29/20 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited?


It is in black and white Danny. All you need is the ability to read it. It is not on tv. It is a power they have. Not what you want but none the less what they have been given by congress and the constitution. Sorry if you thought differently but you are wrong if you think they cannot. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822212
03/29/20 07:23 PM
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I have not seem not one place I would call busy in the last few weeks.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822225
03/29/20 07:33 PM
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Jerry,you aren't looking in the right place. Look at your unemployment offices,look at your food shelves---I bet they are busy.
Tom


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: LLtrapper] #6822236
03/29/20 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
"Your rights end at the tip of my nose"

Yes, if I swing my arms wildly and hit you, I have violated your rights.

But my right to swing my arm doesn't end because your nose might potentially be there at some point in the next two weeks.

That is the key difference.

If we are going to take draconian measures to mitigate potential risks you might as well chuck the bill of rights in the trash right now... From here on out everything will be an excuse to crack down.

Mike

Did you even open the link I put up Mike. In certain situations the CDC can take away your right to swing your fist or for me to move my nose. I cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre. LLL


No I didn't open it. I'm too busy looking in the Constitution for mention of the CDC, nevermind what powers they may or may not have...

Funny thing about federal regulatory agencies... Those folks aren't elected. They do what they want with little oversight.

I'm more than willing to study and heed their guidelines for dealing with this mess... But their "badge" doesn't mean squat to me.

The DOJ has already requested the suspension of habeas corpus. You cool with that too?

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822237
03/29/20 07:43 PM
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Nothing crazy here people are normal no pushing/shoving over TP, the wife finds what she wants at the store no lines at the fast food drive ups just less then usual some places no business at all and we can roam free here.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: LLtrapper] #6822239
03/29/20 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by danny clifton
lll do you really think a government agency will admit their authority is limited?


It is in black and white Danny. All you need is the ability to read it. It is not on tv. It is a power they have. Not what you want but none the less what they have been given by congress and the constitution. Sorry if you thought differently but you are wrong if you think they cannot. LLL

The CDC, just like what was said is not going to list what they can't do. According to SCOTUS case law, and some that specialize in it, there are limitaions and gray area's that may get established if this keeps up. I'm all for self quarantines but the Gov does not have carte blanche, as you say they do.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: Mike in A-town] #6822250
03/29/20 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town

The DOJ has already requested the suspension of habeas corpus. You cool with that too?

Mike



Not quite accurate Mike. It was CONGRESS that REQUESTED proposals from DOJ.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-law-enforcement-in-a-time-of-crisis/


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: white17] #6822253
03/29/20 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town

The DOJ has already requested the suspension of habeas corpus. You cool with that too?

Mike



Not quite accurate Mike. It was CONGRESS that REQUESTED proposals from DOJ.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-law-enforcement-in-a-time-of-crisis/


Doesn't really make me feel any better about it Ken.

Mike


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Vladimir Lenin
Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: adam m] #6822265
03/29/20 08:12 PM
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Not suggesting it should Mike. Just trying to prevent misinformation.


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Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: Bogmaster] #6822268
03/29/20 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
look at your food shelves---I bet they are busy.
Tom


I went to the supermarket this afternoon and all of the employees looked beat. I quizzed one young fellow on how they were keeping/holding up. He told me distributors have them on an allotment system, they're getting in partial orders. He said it would be fine if everyone quit panic buying but they're not slowing down. Even Walmart looked the same. I've never seen so many depleted shelves.

Re: Are shutdowns constitutional? [Re: white17] #6822285
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Originally Posted by white17
Not suggesting it should Mike. Just trying to prevent misinformation.


Yes sir. And I appreciate it.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

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