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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822294
03/29/20 08:27 PM
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I sold a lot of stuff on Ebay years ago, when Ebay was still an auction. Wissmiss and others are correct, no sense worrying about an item selling until the auctions over. A lot can happen the last 1 hour of the sale. Even though this auction lasts over a week, the auction probably won't heat up until the last day if there is interest in items. Is there a 5 or 10 minute extension for bidding if someone bids the last second, this allows bidders a chance to bid after the end time? Maybe Wissmiss knows.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822350
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Greg, thanks for coming on with some clarification. Not sure if you read all the posts on here but I have been somewhat vocal on the issue of valuations for the sellers to see. Is there anyway or could there be possible negotiations on this subject in the future? Thanks


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: The Beav] #6822358
03/29/20 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I understand Industry standards But.


How does a coon lose square Inches from how It's boarded?
If you use a narrow board you might lose width but that turns Into length. When that coon Is hydrated before tanning doesn't It have the same square Inches that It had when It was harvested and boarded?
Your not losing square Inches your just displaying them differently.

A narrow 7 inch board stretch Coon will stretch longer then a standard 8 in regular width. Gives it an unfair advantage an inaccurate reading to The Standard.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822494
03/29/20 10:42 PM
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So I guess there is an auction I thought it was cancelled if there is an auction when will it happen and when will prices be known. I have seen so much stuff on FHA Im not sure what is going on. Also see that a fella in Montana is picking up fur for the next auction which I would like to ship to.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822498
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Anyone wanting seller valuation at fha should speak up now on this thread, this may be our best chance at it. Dosen't have to be a speech, a simple statement would be fine. Not sure how many on here know who Greg is. He runs the cambridge wi fha headquarters. It may not do any good but it can't hurt.

There has to be some middle ground and a way to figure this out so fha does not get inundated with a ton of calls. If you have good idea this would be the time to bring it up. Thanks


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822510
03/29/20 10:58 PM
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This year we graded all the coon in Cambridge,I graded and adjusted sizes.For the 40 some years at grading coon the one complaint from buyers is that east,west north,south have different widths.Raccoon,regardless of section are sized on the same standard,narrow in the shoulders,7inch boards are all reasons to be down sized.


So what are the sq inches (or sq cm, I really don't care what unit you use) of a 4x, 3x, 2x, and 1xl coon??

I can see for hides that are close, a inch or less between sizes when measuring from the nose to base of tail when the skin is on the board, I get that. When I sold through NAFA, I'd have a small percentage (I'd have to look at my r ecords from 2018/19 season) where I would be long and NAFA brought it back to the next lower size but that was maybe 10% of the coon. Doing the math on coonrich's skins, there's a 59.5% disagreement between what he thought he sent and what FHA gave him for sizes. That is a MAJOR disagreement. If that holds true, somewhere between a 40-60% disagreement between what trappers are sending in for coon sizes and what they're going to be graded, all to the smaller size to the advantage of the buyer, that is a problem.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822550
03/29/20 11:41 PM
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The narrowest board I have on coon is 7 3/4 at base. Xl coon at biggest go on it. I like 8 to 8 3/4 inch wide base. U can take a 2 xl coon an make it 4 xl , on narrow board. Get downgraded in size

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: danvee] #6822553
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Originally Posted by danvee
So I guess there is an auction I thought it was cancelled if there is an auction when will it happen and when will prices be known. I have seen so much stuff on FHA Im not sure what is going on. Also.


FHA has a remote on line auction going on right now. Works sort of like eBay. The auction ends at 5 PM eastern time on April 2. Within a day or two shipper accounts will be updated with goods that sold.

Just like an auction room auction but a whole lot slower. Same results - goods sell, shippers get paid for what sold.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822556
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Some trappers stretch to the line on their board or just a little past it and think that is the size they will get.After removing those pelts from the board they shrink an inch or better after a week or two.If you want your pelts to remain in the size tarriff you have to pin your pelts between the size lines by an inch or more for it to remain in that size.
Otter shrink a lot after removal from the board.Just like castors,pelts continue to shrink as they continue to dry.
The only pelts you stretch to the line are beaver.That is because the template takes into account the 2 inch shrinkage in beaver.No advantage at all boarding beaver between the size lines-unlike the cased pelts.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822568
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[quote]Some trappers stretch to the line on their board or just a little past it and think that is the size they will get.After removing those pelts from the board they shrink an inch or better after a week or two.If you want your pelts to remain in the size tarriff you have to pin your pelts between the size lines by an inch or more for it to remain in that size.[/quote

Boco- My coon hides don't shrink an inch or so coming off of my boards. They are dry. If I measure a solid 33 inch skin when I board it, Its a 33 inches a month later. Maybe that's true with your length x width beav skins, not with a properly handled coon hide. At least not my experience.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822583
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All skins do-otter shrink a lot over a month or so after coming off the board.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822585
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I have been shipping to FHA since 2009. I grade my coons, rats and otters for size every year. With the exception of one, two, or maybe three pelts FHA sizes my pelts the same as I do. I grade for size right after I get the pelt on the stretcher and usually only stretch the pelt about 1/4" past the grade size.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822595
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I’ve got a FHA poster in my fur shed that has pictures and widths and lengths of skin side out critters. It shows 7” width on coon. I’ll take a picture of it tomorrow and put it on here.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822598
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A big Coon stretch on a 7-inch board just looks plain ridiculous. Coon just aren't naturally shaped that way. and you got to have all of the Coon Hide stretch Beyond the measurement. You can't have most of the skirt of the Coon down below the line and part of it above it and expect It to get graded for that measurement. I never had any problems with my raccoon sizes an FHA or NAFA.


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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822642
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Thank you Greg and Wissmiss.

Don't know squat about coon but seems to me this is where standard board sizing and usage comes in.

Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #6822723
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Like Mike said, other than a couple skins, my coon were sized to what I had expected.

As far as valuations go. Anyone can look back at the last 5 years of sales and see what every single lot sold for. I understand this year is different but grade is the thing I am most interested in.

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thank you very much greg for the input how the auction works wish fha would have explained it on their site like you did this thread would be a lot shorter and a lot less bs

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I come here to bs.

FHA is going to hold the line. They are not going to tell us the line.

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Re: My FHA fur is now posted [Re: rpmartin] #6823450
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
Anyone wanting seller valuation at fha should speak up now on this thread, this may be our best chance at it. Dosen't have to be a speech, a simple statement would be fine. Not sure how many on here know who Greg is. He runs the cambridge wi fha headquarters. It may not do any good but it can't hurt.

There has to be some middle ground and a way to figure this out so fha does not get inundated with a ton of calls. If you have good idea this would be the time to bring it up. Thanks


NAFA was providing valuation to the shippers for some time and I don't see how it helped much. I've seen skins sell well over and well under valuation. For kicks I looked back at the August NAFA sale and less than half of my goods sold for 32% less than valuation.

If I had my preference, bidders would not be able to see valuations for live auctions. I don't see how that benefits the shipper or auction house, but they are used to seeing it now and would complain if not available.

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Well If a coon shrunk 1" or more while drying It would either tear out your pins or staples. I've put up 1000s of coon and NEVER witnessed that.


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