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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822367
03/29/20 09:15 PM
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Lets say some on here are right and this whole thing is bs. That means that every government in the world is in on it and we all know they can't agree on anything but lets say they are in that case what are you going to do or can you do about it but go along for the ride. All the tough internet talk won't change a thing.Remember I don't agree with this but I think some of you do. If not then what are you talking about?

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822380
03/29/20 09:25 PM
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Oh I have read it. Here is one verse that fits a lot of non believers. Revelation 16:9 "They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him." I have a greater fear of God than I do any virus. Every knee will bow eventually. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822382
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who said the whole thing is b.s.? people are sick and people are dying.

just not in huge numbers. no where is the death rate one percent of the population. or even close to one percent. if this thing was half as bad as they want us to believe you think all those homeless people would still be crapping in the gutters and living in tents one after the other on sidewalks or would they be incapacitated and dying? what about people in the penitentiary? you think they can social distance? congress asking if habeas corpus can be suspended, right to assemble tossed out the window, people put out of work. 2 trillion dollars added to the deficit, and less than 1 /100th of a percent dying. THAT IS THE BS


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822396
03/29/20 09:31 PM
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And why are they doing all this? To try and stop a virus .So if you don't think these steps are needed what would you do?

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822399
03/29/20 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
who said the whole thing is b.s.? people are sick and people are dying.

just not in huge numbers. no where is the death rate one percent of the population. or even close to one percent. if this thing was half as bad as they want us to believe you think all those homeless people would still be crapping in the gutters and living in tents one after the other on sidewalks or would they be incapacitated and dying? what about people in the penitentiary? you think they can social distance? congress asking if habeas corpus can be suspended, right to assemble tossed out the window, people put out of work. 2 trillion dollars added to the deficit, and less than 1 /100th of a percent dying. THAT IS THE BS


Honestly if we just let it buck where do you think it would go? The experts are saying at least 2.2 million would die in the US alone. So since that is a small percentage of the overall population would that be ok? Just asking since car crashes and the flu kill a combined 40-60 thousand a year and you could add all the other things you have mentioned and it would still be ten times that amount? LLL


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822414
03/29/20 09:41 PM
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You need to consider that the 'normal/average' person wants to believe that the governments can/will keep them safe from anything....so that is a huge % of the population that need to see the governments doing what they are doing in order to have confidence in those governments. If the government said 'well, people are going to die and the health care system will be overrun and we think it is best for that to happen'.....people (normal/average people) would really loose it...

So, thats why we have the situation we have...they speak of this peaking in june.....things stay closed down for that long and there is a high likelihood of a second depression/collapse of the world economy. Which could lead to a global government and global currency with cash outlawed. They are already talking about how cash is bad because it transmits kung flu...

A collapse of the global economy to save a few million lives may not be a great deal for the 7 billion+ survivors.

It seems that Italy's deaths slowed once the kung flu killed the most susceptible folks....50% of those were probably on deaths doorstep already.

So, its a bad situation if you either go about preventing it or leaving things as is.....I think Brazil is not taking any steps to isolate people. Brazil or some other S. American country.....we will see what happens there.

One thing for sure is that this is not going to end next week and everything goes back to as it was .....ain't gonna happen.

Meanwhile the wet markets in China are still operating and will produce yet another novel virus anytime soon....totally doing away with those markets is the most rational thing we can do and it is not being done, at all.....


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822452
03/29/20 10:08 PM
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This is an interesting point of view....



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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: rex123] #6822732
03/30/20 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rex123
And why are they doing all this? To try and stop a virus .So if you don't think these steps are needed what would you do?


This virus is real, people are gonna die.

We are going to print trillions of dollars out of thin air to combat a problem that started long before the virus came along, if the dollar is crashed in the process, the consequences will be worse.

It's a fine line and I don't envy the POTUS one bit.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822745
03/30/20 09:09 AM
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Long but good knowledge (with visual demonstrations). Naysayers/ Know it alls/ Conspiracy guys can just skip to the 26:40 mark.

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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822753
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Quack huh? Do you remember what the history books said about the great depression? Do you remember what they said about the war that followed? Don't think for a second it can't happen agaiin.

I've watched enough videos I know this virus is going to be devastating on a personal level.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822757
03/30/20 09:20 AM
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Death rates info

Danny's point.

For the people who are mad at the low risk population for giving it to the high risk population. I wonder how the high risk people got corona if they were social distancing?

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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822764
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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822797
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Even with all the social distancing, Faucci talking at least 100k up to 200k dead in the us. Now and infant died yesterday, but it was just supposed to take the old and weak and thr expendable right? Proposed that over 2 million would go if they just let it rude and didnt have any government interaction. Close your ears when trump reports as he wanted this all done by next weekend up until yesterday. He makes his own rules contrary to advice of doctors, at least he pushed opening everything up til end if april, but it still will not be done by then. Gotta get those cruise ships and planes back running he says. I get he understands economical ramifications and wants things going again, but why doesnt he us let the numerous doctors working on this make some calls. Maybe he can get into some more 4 year arguments with reporters at press conferences.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822814
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I will say trump did announce something positive and thats that the fda is approving this malaria treatment for covid. So if he had a hand in that, kudos because i think it wouldve been foolish not to try it since it shows promise.

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822821
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200,000 is .06 of one percent of the U.S. population. How many are going to die if we go into another depression? If there is another global depression ( the last one was not limited to the U.S. it was world wide) what will be the end result?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822854
03/30/20 10:28 AM
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When you lived through so many end of days events it’s tough to take it all as “gospel” so to say, you take it one day at a time is all you can do. Lots of misinformation out there with lots of drama tossed in like the MSM is selling today. I just wonder what percentage of what we are hearing today is really true?


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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822860
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What is the deal with the shortage of Personal Protective Equipment , with the Ambulance crews ? Last night, there was a call for a 35 year old Woman in Town with suspected COVID-19. Took over 20 minutes for the 1st ambulance crew to show up, and then they had to call dispatch to get more PPE. Don't they have their Ambulance fully stocked with that, when they go out on a call ??

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822881
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
200,000 is .06 of one percent of the U.S. population. How many are going to die if we go into another depression? If there is another global depression ( the last one was not limited to the U.S. it was world wide) what will be the end result?



That is the projected number AFTER the precautions and quarantines ect. Would the 2.2 million they project be more satisfying to you?? You dont think that America watching 2 million people dying and many million sick, hospitals completely overran way more so than now, there wouldn't be mass hysteria and financial disaster? Business as usual law enforcement (which i know u dont approve of) would be sick in high numbers and not at work, thousands of looters would destroy business across the country. Possibly another depression as you’re projecting now anyway? This could happen in either case, at least this way possibly 2 million people are alive and America is just sitting at home nervous, not out destroying itself. Its really as if you just arent happy that more havent died. Now that young people are dying and not just 60 and over, maybe youll get your wish!

Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822882
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Relax the stock market is still higher than we had during the obummer years! No depression coming it will rebound quickly once we cantain this virus.....China stock market hasn't crashed and and wet markets are up and running ! I hope this virus has run it course before they send us a new virus to kill world economy and send it into upheaval again and there remain untouched. I for one will not buy anything made in China....China needs to answer questions on how they where able to contain this virus so quick with very little spread and it takes over the world in weeks.

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Re: U.S. corona death rate increase [Re: danny clifton] #6822885
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
200,000 is .06 of one percent of the U.S. population. How many are going to die if we go into another depression? If there is another global depression ( the last one was not limited to the U.S. it was world wide) what will be the end result?

Like eminent domain, the Gov't advances something to "provide" for many, but screw over a few. This is what I see in danny's post, if that makes sense. There is a line there and nobody seems to want to talk about it. In fact, they want to shut that topic down. No one wants to get sick or have their kin get sick and I do take this virus seriously, but at what point will it come down to loosing 200k to this virus, or returning to August of 1929. I sure don't envy those in charge of this.


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