Virginia county jails citizen for shooting robber
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Arlington County, Virginia arrested an employee protecting the business he was working in. The employee was apparently sleeping in the store to prevent burglaries when 3 masked robbers broke into the business and the employee shot one of them with a legal firearm and permit to carry. Apparently, the police officer told the employee he should of ran out the back door which ended up being blocked anyway on the outside by the burglars before breaking into the business. The employee was being held without bail for three days while developing a cough. While he is being held without bail, the jail is releasing criminals. If you recall, this is Governor Northam’s state, the anti-gun governor. Since this is Arlington County, some people are suggesting Northam did this to make an example of somebody. Fox News tried to contact the District Attorney and said he can’t comment on a case under investigation.
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Re: Virginia county jails citizen for shooting robber
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Rope must be expensive in VA I’d donate a few thousand feet for a starter!
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Shooting someone for taking your stuff is a very good way to end up in jail. Yes, in itself, but if three masked intruders have me cornered, S**T is about to happen. Trouble is, leftists believe the intruders were just performing their chosen occupation, and are entitled to proceed unhindered. Charlie
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Re: Virginia county jails citizen for shooting robber
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Shooting someone for taking your stuff is a very good way to end up in jail. When you are in your own place of business it is called Stand Your Ground Laws. Only liberal far left governments don’t understand it. Like Governor Northam of Virginia.
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I have ZERO problems with shooting a thief. 3 masked dudes run up in any place that I am better be quicker than me...
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Re: Virginia county jails citizen for shooting robber
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not sure if the employee/shooter said it but the boss did in the interview , they smashed through the window the employee woke to a loud noise he thought was a shotgun blast he the employee fired 3 shots to scare them off and hit one of them.
don't say the underlined words
better to say it sounded like a blast meaning they were armed , I just didn't want to die so I shot to keep from being shot. sorry for my bad aim I was really shaken.
to many it sounds the same but one you were scared but didn't believe you were going to die the other you had a strong belief that you were going to die making it a justifiable use of self defense.
it shouldn't be like this but it is especially in counties near DC and other big cities
it is very concerning that there was likely #4 out the back door waiting for an exit to gain entry
most places have seen a steep decline in crime since 3/14 but as people adjust to this being the new normal I think it will likely be going back up.
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Shooting someone for taking your stuff is a very good way to end up in jail. Seriously? So someone would have no worries of being shot taking all your stuff? I would think all robbers would understand the risks of the job include possibility of jail, serious bodily injury, or death.
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Andrew, as it was explained to me, at the CCW class I took, you CAN NOT shoot anybody for just stealing your stuff. The only time you can shoot is if you are in eminent danger, then be prepares to be sued by the assailant or his family.
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Re: Virginia county jails citizen for shooting robber
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Shooting someone for taking your stuff is a very good way to end up in jail. When you are in your own place of business it is called Stand Your Ground Laws. Only liberal far left governments don’t understand it. Like Governor Northam of Virginia. It's still not a get out of jail free card. I understand all that stuff and believe in it but I also know you're very likely to end up in jail for some period of time for shooting anyone for any reason. Thinking you're justified, even with excellent proof, doesn't mean you won't be prosecuted. Shooting someone for taking stuff will likely cost tens of thousands to defend and if someone dies, a life sentence shouldn't be unexpected. Ask George Zimmerman how things can go.
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Everyone needs to read the article LAtrapped provided the link to and get some facts before jumping to conclusions. It was illegal for the shooter to be in possession of a firearm. According to the shooter the shots were fired to "scare off the intruders," and one was hit by accident. This means the shooter did not make a case for acting in self defense. Bad move that. This is NOT a simple case of Northam and At.Gen. Herring (both of whom I despise) making an example of someone who used a firearm in self defense. That's a game changer, he might be screwed.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Andrew, as it was explained to me, at the CCW class I took, you CAN NOT shoot anybody for just stealing your stuff. The only time you can shoot is if you are in eminent danger, then be prepares to be sued by the assailant or his family.
Charlie Are you going to wait to see what someone intends to do when they smash your window in the middle of the night. Probably not
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Andrew, as it was explained to me, at the CCW class I took, you CAN NOT shoot anybody for just stealing your stuff. The only time you can shoot is if you are in eminent danger, then be prepares to be sued by the assailant or his family.
Charlie X2 In my CCW class , the same thing was taught. You have to be in VERY EMINENT danger , no chance of escape or avoidance. Also be prepared to lose everything you own , your family , your job , your reputation. Criminals have too many rights.
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An acquaintance of mine that was a corrections officer at a penitentiary, told me that if they shot an inmate in the line of duty, they would be "cuffed and stuffed".
That being said, what chance does a civilian have for an automatic 'free pass'. It ain't gonna be pretty any way you slice it. It is better than being dead though.
Charlie
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Here in Idaho if somebody tries to hi jack your vehicle, which is an item, as per our Stand Your Ground Law you can use use deadly force. The other thing, if somebody is in your home or your place of business to rob you or trying to steal your vehicle, how do you know they will not use deadly force against you to get the item. For states that have Castle Doctrine laws, your home is your castle and you have every right to protect against an intruder, armed or unarmed. Once inside your building, you have no idea what the robbers intentions are. Do you wait to the intruder pulls a weapon or he starts to bash you head in which will be too late for you. If somebody breaks into my home and I’m in it at the time, I will have a firearm pointed at him. If he starts to advance on me and I tell him to stop and he doesn’t, I will double tap in the torso even if he doesn’t have a visible weapon. What do you do if you are outnumbered by multiple intruders. Ask them if they are only here to steal something and then they will be on there merry way. I will shoot at least one of them if they don’t obey my orders even if I don’t see a weapon on any of them since I am not waiting to be attacked. However, after the intruder leaves the home and no longer possesses a threat, then you can’t use force.
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Here in Idaho if somebody tries to hi jack your vehicle, which is an item, as per our Stand Your Ground Law you can use use deadly force. The other thing, if somebody is in your home or your place of business to rob you or trying to steal your vehicle, how do you know they will not use deadly force against you to get the item. For states that have Castle Doctrine laws, your home is your castle and you have every right to protect against an intruder, armed or unarmed. Once inside your building, you have no idea what the robbers intentions are. Do you wait to the intruder pulls a weapon or he starts to bash you head in which will be too late for you. If somebody breaks into my home and I’m in it at the time, I will have a firearm pointed at him. If he starts to advance on me and I tell him to stop and he doesn’t, I will double tap in the torso even if he doesn’t have a visible weapon. What do you do if you are outnumbered by multiple intruders. Ask them if they are only here to steal something and then they will be on there merry way. I will shoot at least one of them if they don’t obey my orders even if I don’t see a weapon on any of them since I am not waiting to be attacked. However, after the intruder leaves the home and no longer possesses a threat, then you can’t use force. Still doesn't mean you won't got to jail. Stand your ground/castle doctrine is a defense not a pass. I'm not "anti-defend-yourself". I'm wearing a gun right now but I've studied this stuff a bit. Read about cases of self defense and you'll find out what it means in both money and time even if you're exonerated. My stuff isn't worth it. My life or your life on the other hand is. You just better be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. There's an awful lot of prosecutors and the major media out there who will do everything they can to prove you're wrong.
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