Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/01/20 11:00 PM
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No kidding. Only subsistence bear hunting will be allowed in Alaska this spring, per emergency order. This is insanity gone wild. ADFG is off their collective rocker, telling me I can't hop in my skiff, go to the cabin, harvest a bear, bring it home for food and fur, due to a virus that they want social distancing to defeat! Pete!!! Get Ted on the phone!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/02/20 04:11 AM
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Some people have been collecting bear bait all winter for their chance at a spring bear. Now they are stuck with a pile of bait that will bring the bears to their home unless they take it to the dump. The bears are going to be hard on the moose calves this year. They are used to fattening up on donuts etc when they wake up. Those snackies won't be available so they have to eat something.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 01:38 PM
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AK Viking I have talked to "Ted" about this a couple of times during the past week. I don't think the Board wanted to go this far with this. Last week they were leaning towards just a closure to nonresident hunters. This was the Governors decision.
Even if the Governor hadn't closed the season it would have been impossible for the hunters coming into the State to comply with quarantine regulations unless they were to fly in at least 14 days before their hunt.
Additionally, with current do not travel orders that prohibit even residents from traveling from town to town within the State even resident guides, hunters and others can not travel around in the State unless their movement is essential.
I don't like this situation at all, but I reluctantly understand it. I can understand the fear of older and generally unhealthy people I know in SW Alaska. They are terrified.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 02:36 PM
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We can't travel willy-nilly from one community to another, already. But were told being outside was fine, just stay 6' apart. Then it's stay home. Do not leave your house. How on earth am I going to catch any virus by hunting bears? It's absurd to say it's ok to go to the grocery store, but not a cabin, tent, or remote beach! I get the non-resident thing, but residents of Anchorage, Fairbanks, Junea, and Ketchikan are out of luck. The "rest" of Alaska's populace can carry on.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 03:23 PM
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^^^^^ You can still subsistence hunt black bears. Does Juneau qualify? But to your point; yes it does seem a little absurd that a resident can't hunt bears if they don't have to leave their community to do it.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 04:13 PM
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I think they just poked the sleeping bear. Call and email. I hear they are getting a lot of blowback on this! I suppose brown bear locking tags would have to be picked up or mailed but sealing can be done via a phone call report with sealing at a later date and baiting permits can be emailed etc.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 04:53 PM
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All this says to me is I don’t have to register my stand or seal anything this year and a lot less competition.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
[Re: alaska viking]
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04/02/20 07:02 PM
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There is really no need to get all work up about this closesure or to write letters to whomever. The only thing that has been closed are bears being taken in non-subsistence areas. Those are Ketchican, Juneau, Anchorage,Fairbanks, and Valdez. Also bears that do not have a positive finding of customary and traditional uses, which most bear population have though out the state (there are a few exceptions). It is not where you live that makes you a subsistence hunter, but where you hunt. So if you live in one of the state's non-subsistence ares, you can still go outside that area and hunt on state land and water ways and most federal lands. So if you live in Juneau you will have to travel outside the non-subsistence area and looks like you could hunt bears even on federal lands under state seasons and bag limits. Bears in units 1-4 both have positive C&T by the state. Anchorage residents will have to travel further, depending on where you live in the non-subsistence area. But same rules apply. If you are hunting outside the non-subsistence area and the bear has a positive C&T, you can hunt them as a subsistence hunter. Furthermore at least in the interior, black bear hunting does not get good till the last week of May to the first week of June.
All Alaskans are eligible to participate in subsistence opportunities regardless of your domicile on state lands and waters. Save your letter writing for the newly appointed BOF and BOG appointees, they will appreciate it.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 07:14 PM
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Well the state subsistence rules are very murky to most of us. Here is what I could find and I'm not sure what all it even means:
SPECIES & UNIT FINDING AMOUNT REASONABLY NECESSARY FOR SUBSISTENCE USES
Black Bear Unit 1(A), outside theKetchikan Nonsubsistence Area positive 5 - 10Unit 1(B) positive 2 - 5Unit 1(C), outside the JuneauNonsubsistence Area positive 50 - 70Unit 1(D) positive 10 - 20Unit 2 positive 15 - 20Unit 3 positive 15 - 20Unit 5 positive 5 - 10Unit 6 positive 80 - 120Unit 12 positive 40 - 60Units 11 and 13 positive 20 - 50Unit 15(C), outside of theAnchorage-Matsu-KenaiNonsubsistence Area positive 20 - 60Unit 16(B) positive 15 - 40Unit 17 negativeUnit 19 positive 30 - 50Unit 20, outside theFairbanks Nonsubsistence area positive 20 - 30Unit 21 positiveUnit 24 positiveUnit 25 positive 150 - 250
Brown Bear Unit 1(A), outside theKetchikan Nonsubsistence Area positive 2 - 3Unit 1(B) and 3 positive 1Unit 1(C), outside the JuneauNonsubsistence Area positive 1Unit 1(D) positive 3 - 5Unit 4, outside the JuneauNonsubsistence Area positive 5 - 10Unit 5 positive 3 - 6Unit 6 negativeUnit 8 negativeUnits 9(A), 9(C), and 9(D) negativeUnit 9(B) positive 10 - 20Unit 9(E) positive 10 - 15Unit 10 negativeUnit 11 negativeUnit 12 negativeUnit 13 negativeUnit 15(C) negativeUnit 16(B) negativeUnit 17(A) and Unit 17(B),that portion draining intothe Nuyakuk and Tikchik Lake positive 5Unit 17(B), that portion notdraining into the Nuyakuk andTikchik Lake, Unit 17(C),Units 19(A) and 19(B)upstream of and excluding theAniak River drainage, andUnit 19(D) positive 10 - 15Unit 18 positive 20 - 30Units 19(A) and 19(B)downstream of and includingthe Aniak River drainage positive 5Unit 19(C) negativeUnit 19(D) positive 2 - 6Units 20(A) and 20(B), positive 1 - 3outside the boundaries of theFairbanks Nonsubsistence UseArea and Unit 20(C)Unit 20(D), outside theboundaries of the FairbanksNonsubsistence Area positive 1 - 2Unit 20(E) negativeUnits 21 and 22 positive 20 - 25Units 23, 24, and 26 positive 25 - 35Units 25(A), 25(B), 25(C) negative Unit 25(D) positive
I believe there may be some clarification announced sooner rather than later on this.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
[Re: drasselt]
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04/02/20 07:30 PM
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It means if the BOG has found a positive finding of C&T, they then have set an ANS. The ANS is used to determine how to allocate the resource. Meaning, unit 1B has an ANS of 2-5 black bears. If the harvestable surplus of the population of black bears in unit 1B is 50. Then the BOG can provide for all uses. If the the harvestable surplus was 3. The BOG would not allow non -resident an opportunity and most likely would have residents to registered as Teir 1 permits. If the havestable surplus was 2 or less, it would go to Tier II or even close the hunt.
So the EO states all Alaskan can hunt bears with a positive C&T, unless it is a Tier II hunt.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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Seems unlikely its the goal of Dept of fish and game to have people that live in the most affected areas to travel further out into areas that do not have reported cases of the virus? That doesn't make any since at all. If you live in Anchorage you can' t hunt close to home, but you're welcome to travel to areas of the state with little or no report of the virus and hunt there? That also breaks the community travel mandate (#12) I would think?
I'm not sure what to make of all this. But I'm confident as Tom said that more information is going to come out soon. Not all hunters have to go to another community to hunt. Infact most hunter don't go to other communities to hunt.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 07:54 PM
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15(C), outside of theAnchorage-Matsu-KenaiNonsubsistence Area positive 20 - 60
So it looks like all of unit 7 15A 15B and possibly part of 15C are in the ANC-Matsu-Kenai Nonsubsiistence area. If so then most all of the Kenai Peninsula would be closed unless Dunleavy backs off. I would say that is worth a letter or call
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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15(C), outside of theAnchorage-Matsu-KenaiNonsubsistence Area positive 20 - 60
So it looks like all of unit 7 15A 15B and possibly part of 15C are in the ANC-Matsu-Kenai Nonsubsiistence area. If so then most all of the Kenai Peninsula would be closed unless Dunleavy backs off. I would say that is worth a letter or call If that is what you think, but you have to put yourself in his shoes. What if a bear hunter is found to be a person who spread the virus? Who is going to be the blame, the Governor again? It is a no win situation for a person in that position. Somebody is always going to be angered with what ever decisions are made or not made.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 09:08 PM
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Great! Looks like the communications re bear hunting has paid off, just stay 6' apart
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 09:21 PM
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Murky is right! And where do I find out just where the non-subsistence area in juneau ends, and the subsistence begins? Why didn't they simply close it to non-residents? Too simple? Good grief. And most bear hunting in these parts takes place using ocean, to hunt on federal land. And the historically best time to hunt bears in southeast is may. Keep calling. And sending emails.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 09:29 PM
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So, isnarewolves, are you backing off the idea that most any of us can just hunt like we always have, and instead feeling sorry for Dinleavey, and his poorly thought-out directive? Let's be real, here. A bear hunter that lives in Alaska, goes hunting, salvages the meat, (rather than a grocery store to peruse the meat section), is pretty unlikely to be a big virus threat, don't you think?
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/02/20 09:32 PM
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No reason to keep calling. The hunt closure was rescinded. Its open to Alaska residents only. Community travel mandates are still in affect however.
Its good to see that everyone calling and emailing DOES matter! Good job to everyone involved that took the time to let the governors office know that it was unacceptable.
Mike
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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I humbly tip my hat. But everything i stated where facts. I am glad, this is a better solution, and maybe residents have a better idea of who can be a subsistence user in this state. I still would not want to see the Governor recalled or to have trappers and hunters signing a recall petition. Glad to see Lynn Keogh was appointed to the BOG.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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Great news re Keyo! We are all new to this quarantine business and there are major decisions unfolding at the speed of light. The decision to adjust the bear order was a good one and a message was received to be careful messing with our outdoor pursuits. Al thanks for the subsistence info.
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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I humbly tip my hat. But everything i stated where facts. I am glad, this is a better solution, and maybe residents have a better idea of who can be a subsistence user in this state. I still would not want to see the Governor recalled or to have trappers and hunters signing a recall petition. Glad to see Lynn Keogh was appointed to the BOG. I am happy that Lynn got a seat. That said I won’t destroy this thread with politics in response to the above post. This kid is just happy to be able to go bear hunting!
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Re: Alaska bear hunt closed
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04/03/20 08:45 PM
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Indeed. And I am certain that not only the volume of calls and emails had an effect, others in management played a crucial role in getting the appropriate "ears". My thanks to all involved.
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