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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828231
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So Bass10 you don't believe church goers don't have common sense to initiate social distance guidelines only businesses have that capability?


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: bass10] #6828236
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Originally Posted by bass10
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Just read a report that the Pastor of that church says he was sorry he did the service since he realized his service has been proven to have spread the virus and infected some of the people who attended. He doesn't plan to have any more services.



Yes, I'd say he did it more out of "they aren't gonna tell me what I can and cannot do" than the chance for risk.

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This is why, constitutional or not, common sense should overrule the constitution. He admitted his foolishness has spread the virus.


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: bass10] #6828239
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Originally Posted by bass10


Well I'd say working at your cabinet shop and having a church service where people are shoulder to shoulder throwing out spit are worlds apart? But I fully expect you to disagree with that statement.I'd also say some
business owners are putting their greed above health and safety, in our state I'd have to think that'd be a non essential business that shouldn't be open. I closed mine immediately, no amount of lost income is worth my
extended work family or families health and well being but I have the ability to use common sense.



How about a church service in someone's home with 12 people sitting on couches, and no spit being thrown? That'll also get you arrested in some places.

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: Trapper7] #6828240
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Originally Posted by Trapper7


This is why, constitutional or not, common sense should overrule the constitution. He admitted his foolishness has spread the virus.





Really?!?!? Who's common sense? Should "common-sense" gun control laws overrule the constitution?

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: J Staton] #6828241
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Originally Posted by J Staton
So Bass10 you don't believe church goers don't have common sense to initiate social distance guidelines only businesses have that capability?


Did you see the video of that service, I'd say no they didn't. If what I'm hearing is true that someone that went to that service has now tested positive I'd say no?


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828243
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
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Well I'd say working at your cabinet shop and having a church service where people are shoulder to shoulder throwing out spit are worlds apart? But I fully expect you to disagree with that statement.I'd also say some
business owners are putting their greed above health and safety, in our state I'd have to think that'd be a non essential business that shouldn't be open. I closed mine immediately, no amount of lost income is worth my
extended work family or families health and well being but I have the ability to use common sense.



How about a church service in someone's home with 12 people sitting on couches, and no spit being thrown? That'll also get you arrested in some places.


Never heard of anyone getting arrested for that, so heresay?


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: J Staton] #6828262
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Originally Posted by J Staton
So Bass10 you don't believe church goers don't have common sense to initiate social distance guidelines only businesses have that capability?


I miss going to church since our pastor and board felt all services should be temporarily shut down for now. Social distance would be difficult, practically impossible, more so in a church than a business setting in most cases.

It has been proven that this Florida pastor had spread the virus because of his determination to have services regardless of the consequences. Now, he realizes what a poor decision it was. Thanks to him, anyone coming in contact with anyone who attend his service unknowingly are susceptible to becoming infected with the virus. Very unfair to those who have been cautious in their efforts of not spreading or getting infected.


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: bass10] #6828266
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Originally Posted by bass10
Originally Posted by loosegoose





How about a church service in someone's home with 12 people sitting on couches, and no spit being thrown? That'll also get you arrested in some places.


Never heard of anyone getting arrested for that, so heresay?

Never said anyone has been arrested for it yet, only that it could get you arrested. 40 miles north of me in Lincoln ne, there are no gatherings allowed of any kind of more than 10 people, including religious gatherings. If you're caught, first someone from the health department will come and try to talk to you, and if you refuse, then police will show up and ticket or arrest you. So yes, I absolutely could get arrested there for holding a church service in my home with 12 people present.. Here is the link directly to the city government's website.

Directly from the site..."Gatherings for any reason of more than 10 people in single spaces".

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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828267
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Trapper7


This is why, constitutional or not, common sense should overrule the constitution. He admitted his foolishness has spread the virus.





Really?!?!? Who's common sense? Should "common-sense" gun control laws overrule the constitution?

Not sure why you keep comparing this to guns. The laws and such are not wrote the same. I can see certain pols taking advantage and pushing their own agenda's, but guns are a completely different animal, law wise.


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828275
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
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This is why, constitutional or not, common sense should overrule the constitution. He admitted his foolishness has spread the virus.





Really?!?!? Who's common sense? Should "common-sense" gun control laws overrule the constitution?


I can't believe you're even saying this! The pastor of the church admitted his service was proven to spread the virus. That's why he said the service was a mistake and he won't make that same mistake again. There is a good chance innocent people are going contract the virus because of this church service. So, for these newly infected people it's just tough luck???

There's a huge difference in "common sense" gun laws versus a deadly virus.


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828300
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Whos common sense when it comes to gun laws, ours or David Hoggs?

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828304
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There's a huge difference in "common sense" gun laws versus a deadly virus.



No, no difference at all. Americans can not be trusted to use common sense. The fact that some people are still going to church proves it. The fact that some people are committing crimes with firearms proves it. Media is telling lies and citizens are bad mouthing duly elected politicians. The madness must stop. Time for more proclamations. Starting with sending state police and national guard door to door to confiscate guns and arrest anybody who continues to pose a threat to public safety.


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Originally Posted by Trapper7
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So Bass10 you don't believe church goers don't have common sense to initiate social distance guidelines only businesses have that capability?


I miss going to church since our pastor and board felt all services should be temporarily shut down for now. Social distance would be difficult, practically impossible, more so in a church than a business setting in most cases.

It has been proven that this Florida pastor had spread the virus because of his determination to have services regardless of the consequences. Now, he realizes what a poor decision it was. Thanks to him, anyone coming in contact with anyone who attend his service unknowingly are susceptible to becoming infected with the virus. Very unfair to those who have been cautious in their efforts of not spreading or getting infected.

My argument is not whether the Florida pastors decision to hold regular services was wise or not but rather if it is the place of .gov to suspend a right given by God. For the record I don't think it was a wise decision. For a church to meet now social distanceing guide lines should be followed or have meetings such as loosegoose has at his house.

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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6828324
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There's a huge difference in "common sense" gun laws versus a deadly virus.



No, no difference at all. Americans can not be trusted to use common sense. The fact that some people are still going to church proves it. The fact that some people are committing crimes with firearms proves it. Media is telling lies and citizens are bad mouthing duly elected politicians. The madness must stop. Time for more proclamations. Starting with sending state police and national guard door to door to confiscate guns and arrest anybody who continues to pose a threat to public safety.


I agree with you, Danny. But, I'm referring to most normal Americans. The average, normal person in America will see there is a difference in risk in common sense gun laws that differs from the inadvertent spreading of a deadly virus where large numbers of people congregate. BTW, I agree with everyone who feels gun shops should be able to stay open. It should be up to each individual gun shop owner.


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828328
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I agree with everyone that says the pastor is an idiot for holding church.
That said, that is completely beside the point.

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I just listened to a infectious disease nurse on a broadcast. She stated the death numbers are being manipulated Even though someone has the virus at the time of death, it can not be determined that it was the virus that killed them. There may have been multiple morbidity factors involved in their medical history. The only way the tell what caused the death is an autopsy.

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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6828337
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JStaton:

I agree with you. There are safer alternatives than what this pastor did. Our church is doing an online service. A handful of people meeting at someone's house would be better than an entire church population meeting at a regular service.


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If they would show how many die a day from the flu, daily, we'd be shut down every winter.

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If they would show how many die a day from the flu, daily, we'd be shut down every winter.


Anyone STILL comparing this to the flu isn't paying attention. It's clear the doctors/ researchers and those in charge are. Good thing a bunch of paranoid/Govt conspiracy trappers aren't calling the shot right now.

Still 8 weeks till peak in most of the country....and it's doubling itself nationwide every 4 days.

It'll be real interesting to see how long some hold onto the "It's no big deal" mentality. My guess is we'll all lose people we know well before this is over (that does't happen with the flu). Sure hope the experts are wrong on this one.

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Dead is dead Calvin, could we save tens of thousands a year of we do what we're doing now? I bet so.

I too believe this is easier to contract, but it is weaker in the fact it's been killing mostly elderly, and even those have a pre existing condition. Regular flu kills some pretty healthy people.

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