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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829066
04/03/20 10:06 PM
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Poor Flipper! It can be heart-breaking to see all those "unsold to be offered at the next auction"s.


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829157
04/03/20 10:53 PM
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Thanks for the information Mark Downey. Looks like Moyles again.


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829345
04/04/20 05:48 AM
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The 70s are gone, days when the FFG magazine would be real close with their evaluations and it only went up from there, sometimes for years. Now it is bad, getting worse and changes can be daily.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Flipper] #6829644
04/04/20 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Flipper
I had beaver, December coon lots of 3 xx, and nov and dec coyotes there. Nothing sold

how do you know that ? will not be posted till monday


50 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829653
04/04/20 10:54 AM
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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829700
04/04/20 11:26 AM
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Whatever happens - I had a blast just being out in the woods, creeks and fields.
Keeps me "flexible and limber"... LOL!!


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6829758
04/04/20 12:16 PM
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I don't even want to look. I shipped off a bunch of coyotes instead of taking about 120 avg on them with a buyer. Stupid, Stupid Stupid!

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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: rvsask] #6829772
04/04/20 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
I don't even want to look. I shipped off a bunch of coyotes instead of taking about 120 avg on them with a buyer. Stupid, Stupid Stupid!

here now! You know how many people lost money in the time frame. Of About a Week? I'm in that boat with you. Long game statistics tell me that somewhere around eight out of ten years I money ahead to send to the auction house. And trust me I've done experimental deals with country fur buyers around here. No knock on them. It's just what's work for me


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: rvsask] #6829775
04/04/20 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
I don't even want to look. I shipped off a bunch of coyotes instead of taking about 120 avg on them with a buyer. Stupid, Stupid Stupid!

At 84.10 American depending how long ago the offer was,,, say end January first week of feb. I might done the same thing and sent them. Just bad circumstances imo.


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: rvsask] #6830065
04/04/20 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
I don't even want to look. I shipped off a bunch of coyotes instead of taking about 120 avg on them with a buyer. Stupid, Stupid Stupid!


That would be $120 Can. which at the time (sometime before mid January last receiving date) would have been about $90 US. Whoever offered you, and presumably others that sort of deal, is kicking themselves now the same. They sure aren't offering, goods for goods, that sort of price now.

Not stupid, stupid - just unlucky as no one mid Jan. saw this Corona mess hitting most all business like it did.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: wissmiss] #6830074
04/04/20 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
I’m not sure why some folks are so concerned about what the valuations are/were. Valuations are the opinion of some one, or a group, at FH as to what the fur is worth.

Doesn’t mean much what FH thinks the fur is worth. What matters is what buyers think the fur is worth. We found that out yesterday.



Exactly, all this does is screw things up. IMO, they should have an auction with no reserves. Only then will you know the true value of what you are selling. By setting a reserve you are influencing the price. Example, you put a valuation of $50 of one of my fishers. The buyer that wants it thinks it is worth $50 and he can probably get it for 10% less so why bid higher.IMO that is what happens in a depressed market. In a strong market it doesn't matter.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: ebsurveyor] #6830080
04/04/20 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by wissmiss
I’m not sure why some folks are so concerned about what the valuations are/were. Valuations are the opinion of some one, or a group, at FH as to what the fur is worth.

Doesn’t mean much what FH thinks the fur is worth. What matters is what buyers think the fur is worth. We found that out yesterday.



Exactly, all this does is screw things up. IMO, they should have an auction with no reserves. Only then will you know the true value of what you are selling. By setting a reserve you are influencing the price. Example, you put a valuation of $50 of one of my fishers. The buyer that wants it thinks it is worth $50 and he can probably get it for 10% less so why bid higher.IMO that is what happens in a depressed market. In a strong market it doesn't matter.


In that scenario the auction house would not sell and you would still own your fisher. I wonder what kind of blood-bath this FHA internet sale would have been with no reserves.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: The Beav] #6830082
04/04/20 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If they won't revel the valuation there must be a reason .
If I had that information I would be telling every one on T man what their fur was valued at. Know way would I hide It from you. It's all about trust.


Hey Beav, no reason not to post valuations for everyone to see. In fact no reason to have valuations.

Have an auction and sell it all or put it in the dumpster.By shipping to FHA I chose to sell my furs in March of 2020. Everything would change if the buyers knew that everything would be sold for high bid the day of the sale.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6830086
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Didn't NAFA try that with a bunch of hold over coon? How'd that work out?

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6830101
04/04/20 05:49 PM
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An auction without reserves? In this market, after it was over you guys would be gathering tar, feathers, a short rope and heading to North Bay. Even the Royal Canadian Mounted Police couldn’t stop you at the border. LOL

Even with no reserves, there will still be unsold goods. Who in their right mind would pay a
Nickel (5 cents) for a damaged ermine when FHA is going to charge you a 40 cent packing fee. Or $7.00 to pack and process a $2.00 otter. Even I wouldn’t pay for some items when you consider the packing fee.


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: wissmiss] #6830103
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
An auction without reserves? In this market, after it was over you guys would be gathering tar, feathers, a short rope and heading to North Bay. Even the Royal Canadian Mounted Police couldn’t stop you at the border. LOL

Even with no reserves, there will still be unsold goods. Who in their right mind would pay a
Nickel (5 cents) for a damaged ermine when FHA is going to charge you a 40 cent packing fee. Or $7.00 to pack and process a $2.00 otter. Even I wouldn’t pay for some items when you consider the packing fee.



No bidders = it goes in the dumpster.

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: walleye101] #6830104
04/04/20 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Didn't NAFA try that with a bunch of hold over coon? How'd that work out?


Yes, nafa did that at least 3 times. Once on otter and twice on raccoon. They moved some goods. I don’t remember too much complaining from the shippers but then at least a couple of those were pre-internet days. smile


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6830109
04/04/20 05:54 PM
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Does fha have more or higher fees than nafa did nancy?

Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6830117
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I think FHA,s fees for this sale were similar to NAFA fees. They use 2 different systems, so a person would have to crunch some numbers to know for sure.

For this auction, FHA charged an 8.2 % commission plus a packing fee depending on the species. 25 cents for a possum. $100.00 for a grizzley bear. Everything else some where in between.

Nafa charged a 6.5 % commission plus 2 per species fees.


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Re: FHA On-Line Announcement [Re: Monster Toms] #6830209
04/04/20 07:43 PM
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Reserves, and valuations are two different things.


We're all aware of this , right?

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