Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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My first thought was like bearguy. This can be checked by clocking it on a highway with mile markers or have someone follow you and compare. If it is drinking bad I'd talk to the folks that did the job while still fresh in their mind. I'm a fan of rebuilding the old trans, but yours was a little worn lol.
Yota guys? Do these have an EGR that gets disturbed during trans R and R? O2 sensors?
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: loosegoose]
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1st, 2nd, and 3rd might be different between a 4 cylinder and 5 cylinder truck. 4th gear's gotta be direct drive 1:1 for both, and 5th gear is an overdrive gear, but the ratio's gotta be pretty close between the two transmissions. Is your cruising RPM pretty close to where it used to be, or is your RPM way higher than before? If your RPM is pretty close, I would suspect the gear ratios are pretty close. The speedometer issue is another possibility. It doesn't have to be too far off to make your trip meter/odometer way off over time, which would give you a false calculation of MPG. There's likely no reprogramming needed for a manual trans in a vehicle that old. The truck doesn't have a tach. It just has a heat gauge, a fuel gage and a speedometer. I have been running the same basic circuit for the past two weeks with a variance of maybe 20 miles. I normally could make the trip on one tank of gas, but now I have to fill up when I'm about 2/3 through the circuit or I'll run out of gas.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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I'm guessing the ratio is lower for the new tranny coming out of a 4 cylinder truck. I think Loosegoose had the ratio correct and the first three gears are lower and 4 th is a 1:1 ratio, with 5 th being overdrive and probably lower than should be with a V6. I was at a Toyota dealership with my son who bought a new Corolla yesterday. Talk about sticker shock! A new Tacoma is 40 grand now, and no single cabs being made, just double or access cabs(1 1/2 cab). I'm keeping my 2005 Tundra single cab with the 8' bed. New Tundra's are too high to work out of and Tacoma's are too small to haul a snomo in.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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04/11/20 07:42 AM
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Not a Toyota but here is my experience. I had a VW Rabbit 1.4 liter with a 4 speed manual tranny. I got 32 MPG. Wanted more zip so I put in a 1.6 liter with the same 4 speed. MPH went down to 26 MPG. Wanted more zip still and found a 5 speed tranny only to find out it was the SCCA model with close ratio gearing. Got the zip I was looking for but now I was getting 19 MPG no matter how it was driven, high way, town, quick off the line starts or granny roll to get going. No matter, 19 MPG.
I would say that the tranny for the 4 banger in your 6 cyc. is causing the increase. You should see a difference in the RPM's at speed you are traveling. Even a 500 RPM increase over the course of several hours will burn a lot more fuel.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
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I don't doubt they're different ratios, but i think you would know if they were far enough apart to make that big of a difference in fuel mileage. Like engine sounding like you need to shift again, ect.
My thoughts as well. seems like the RPM's would have to be considerably higher at highway speed than with the old transmission.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: Lugnut]
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I don't doubt they're different ratios, but i think you would know if they were far enough apart to make that big of a difference in fuel mileage. Like engine sounding like you need to shift again, ect.
My thoughts as well. seems like the RPM's would have to be considerably higher at highway speed than with the old transmission. Something I've noticed about this truck is that a lot of times I can't detect differences in engine speeds. It sounds the same to me when I'm doing 75 as when I'm doing 55. Sometimes I'll be doing 70 mph and will notice that I'm still in 4th gear, and had been for quite a while. It's probably just my old age and poor hearing that causes this.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
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That is a nice looking little truck!
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
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Just for reference, I have a '99 Tacoma with a 2.7L four cylinder, that has 370,000 miles, the transmission has never been touched. It still gets 22mpg.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
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Paul I feel for ya,its always something aye. gotta be the transmission if that is the only thing changed. they should be able to figure it out....happy easter and good luck on them beaver.
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
[Re: loosegoose]
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1st, 2nd, and 3rd might be different between a 4 cylinder and 5 cylinder truck. 4th gear's gotta be direct drive 1:1 for both, and 5th gear is an overdrive gear, but the ratio's gotta be pretty close between the two transmissions. Is your cruising RPM pretty close to where it used to be, or is your RPM way higher than before? If your RPM is pretty close, I would suspect the gear ratios are pretty close. The speedometer issue is another possibility. It doesn't have to be too far off to make your trip meter/odometer way off over time, which would give you a false calculation of MPG. There's likely no reprogramming needed for a manual trans in a vehicle that old. This sounds real reasonable to me, in theory. I think what I would do is calculate gallons per hour like is done with fuel consumption in aircraft. Of course you probably don't have a similar record from the old tranny. You need a Hobbs meter or similar to keep track
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Re: Transmission in Tacoma fixed - kinda
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1st, 2nd, and 3rd might be different between a 4 cylinder and 5 cylinder truck. 4th gear's gotta be direct drive 1:1 for both, and 5th gear is an overdrive gear, but the ratio's gotta be pretty close between the two transmissions. Is your cruising RPM pretty close to where it used to be, or is your RPM way higher than before? If your RPM is pretty close, I would suspect the gear ratios are pretty close. The speedometer issue is another possibility. It doesn't have to be too far off to make your trip meter/odometer way off over time, which would give you a false calculation of MPG. There's likely no reprogramming needed for a manual trans in a vehicle that old. This sounds real reasonable to me, in theory. I think what I would do is calculate gallons per hour like is done with fuel consumption in aircraft. Of course you probably don't have a similar record from the old tranny. You need a Hobbs meter or similar to keep track True. Paul's saying that taking the same trip he has to stop for fuel where as he didn't before.he I'll be interested to know what the problem/cure is. My money isn't on year ratio tho.
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