So when and where does that logic ever end? Who gets to decide it ends at canoes and kayaks?

Catch-22, I believe you'd have the sense to not go launch your boat at a crowded ramp! It's the fools that are the problem. If you make it out, good luck.

I've barely left the greenhouse except for a little beaver trapping. Im stuck in front of a computer this morning, and obviously distracting the heck out of myself on here.

Golly. Every year people die in boating accidents completely unrelated to Covid19. Better just ban all boating forever. If it saves just one life, it's worth it, right? How many deaths are acceptable to you so that you can go drive around on a lake?

If we reduced the speed limit nationwide to 30 mph, it'd greatly reduce traffic deaths. If it saves one life, it's worth it, right? How many deaths are acceptable to you so that you can drive 65mph down the interstate?

If we had police go door to door and search every home and confiscate every gun, it would certainly save lives. If it saves just one life, it's worth it, right? How many deaths are acceptable to you so that you can continue to own guns?

Every year little kids drown in swimming pools. If we banned all swimming pools, it would certainly save lives. If it saves one life, it's worth it, right? How many dead kids are acceptable to you so that you can go swimming?

Every year hundreds of thousands of people die from alcohol and tobacco use, and poor eating habits. If the government banned alcohol and tobacco and told us what to eat and gave us our food rations, it would undoubtedly save lives. If it saves one life, it's worth it, right? How many people are you willing to let die so that you can eat a twinkie or drink a beer or smoke a cigar?


I could go on and on. My point is this...we all accept some deaths and risks for our freedoms. Every one of us. Whether we like to think about it or not, we're all willing to take a risk that might cause someone to die so that we can enjoy something. We all do things that we know might kill us or people around us, and we all to some degree accept that risk. This covid19 thing is no different, except for some reason it is. If you even suggest doing something that might in the teensy weensy tiniest way put someone at risk, you're practically burned at the stake. Why?

Because in this case, your actions could put everyone else at risk. It's not about your personal risk.

You could kill someone at 30 mph. Why allow people to drive at all?

Good lord, I need to get myself back to work.

Because vehicle collisions aren't highly contagious to everyone who come in contact with you or the person you hit. There is no comparison.

Driving 65 mph down the highway puts other people at risk. You can kill other people in a car crash that is your fault, while you yourself walk away unscathed. Happens all the time. Would you be willing to institute a national 30mph speed limit, knowing it could save lives? If not, why not? How many traffic deaths are acceptable to you?

It's absolutely comparable. You could kill someone driving to check traps tomorrow. You could completely ruin an entire family through some negligent action of your own doing, while you walk away unharmed. Is that acceptable to you? If it's not acceptable to you, are you willing to never drive anywhere to check traps again?

It's absolutely comparable. You could kill someone driving to check traps tomorrow. You could completely ruin an entire family through some negligent action of your own doing, while you walk away unharmed. Is that acceptable to you? If it's not acceptable to you, are you willing to never drive anywhere to check traps again?
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And will the car I hit then hit 40 other cars, and those 40 each hit 40 and those 40 and on and on in a matter of weeks? It's not the same thing.

Have you ever been to a "crowded boat ramp"? It consists of a couple of guys (who rode together getting there) launching a boat, while a line of other people wait (impatiently) in their vehicles for their turn to launch. Better put a stop to that!

Everybody knows that canoe'rs and kayak'rs are the only ones with commonsense and practice social distancing.

Maybe the head of the DOW's should become an electable office instead of serving at the pleasure of the Governor's!

What more can I say, 'cept for nothing lasts forever.

And will the car I hit then hit 40 other cars, and those 40 each hit 40 and those 40 and on and on in a matter of weeks? It's not the same thing. [/quote]
So you're willing to accept the risk of killing maybe 7 people (if you hit a minivan for example) so that you can go check beaver traps, just not 40 people? That's fine, if that's your choice. I don't mean to give you a hard time, it just bothers me to see people that excorciate others for being willing to take small risks in order to go about their daily lives, as if we don't all do that every single day.

I know you aren't giving me a hard time, this is just how we figure this stuff out. I get what your saying, but I have a lot more confidence in my ability to not hit that minivan than I do in my ability to not spread this virus, that I may not even have symptoms of, to someone I come in contact with.

My father has been a quadriplegic since 1998. He has reduced lung function and multiple infection issues at this time. He has 24 hour caregivers that come into his home to care for him. One of those nurses picks up the virus in the next 18 months from someone in the community, before we have a vaccine, he's toast. Not a matter of if, but when. We have two close family members currently working in Detroit area hospitals that are getting slammed with patients, and several family members with high risk health complications living in one of the hardest hit counties in this state. That might be informing my opinions on this.

seems that every state with a democrat for governor are taking things way to far.....

All the Bernie supporters are getting a little taste of the socialism they were wanting. Like in "Cuber"

80-90% of the cv19 cases in Mi are in Detroit. Why don't they put a high fence around it and call it a new zoo lol, let everyone else go about their business. Fresh new bans for Michigan

Twisted

You may think your decision to go beaver trapping is Covid safe, but think again!

Direct quotes from Minnesota Outdoor News, about beaver trapping contracts for wild rice management;

"It is possible that the work (beaver trapping) won't be allowed to go on as planned...."

"We (MN DNR) have a lot of people workin on making that determination right now"

"Just because wild rice work is fairly solitary, with the work typically being done by individual trappers, does not necessarily mean it can go on. There are other considerations such as safety. How can we do these things in keeping with social distancing, while at the same time making sure all of our safety protocols are met? We are trying to be careful and thoughtful. It is taking some time."

You can't make this stuff up! This is what you get when you unleash a bunch of bureaucrats deciding for us what is and what isn't reasonable risk.