Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Lazarus]
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Can anyone tell me the number of people who have died WITH COVID 19, and those that died BECAUSE of COVID 19? You want actual statistics? Good luck. Many gov't people are classifying and death with a positive covid-19 death as a covid-19 death. Including murders where the victim tests positive.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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Last I checked in MN 50 some died, average age 85. Does that help? Not really. The distinction is critical. If you jump out of a plane with no parachute and yet your doctor suspects you had COVID 19, then he or she reports that as a "COVID 19 death." I want to know "cause of death=COVID 19."
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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There is a lot of fake news out there. The only people recorded as having died of covid 19 are those that doctors know they would not have died if they did not have covid 19. Covid 19 CAUSED deaths are the only ones recorded.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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There is a lot of fake news out there. The only people recorded as having died of covid 19 are those that doctors know they would not have died if they did not have covid 19. Covid 19 CAUSED deaths are the only ones recorded. Wow, wish I had your confidence.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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Can anyone tell me the number of people who have died WITH COVID 19, and those that died BECAUSE of COVID 19? You want actual statistics? Good luck. Many gov't people are classifying and death with a positive covid-19 death as a covid-19 death. Including murders where the victim tests positive. Because of the descrepancies in reporting actual cause of death, and in some cases they don't know, that number will never be known for sure. There a certainly many cases where Covid may have been present or contributed to a death with underlying complications. While it may be callous to apply this to human death, in fish and wildlife population management this is called compensatory mortality, meaning individuals that would have died anyway. Thus the only accurate way to measure the impact of Covid 19 is to compare the current total mortality rate (deaths/1000) with Covid in the population, to previous total mortality rate for a comparible time period. That would compensate for the compensatory mortality.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Lazarus]
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There is a lot of fake news out there. The only people recorded as having died of covid 19 are those that doctors know they would not have died if they did not have covid 19. Covid 19 CAUSED deaths are the only ones recorded. Wow, wish I had your confidence. There are serious consequences for falsifying a death certificate. I dont know any doctor that would do that.What would be his reason for jeopardizing his practice/livlihood? Doctors have repeatedly said that they only report deaths from covid if the person who died would not have died if he did not have covid.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Lazarus]
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Rat,there are now 79 deaths in MN. Tom
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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I have read a statistic that indicated only 20% of people who go on a respirator for any reason survive.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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Well all the doctors that have been asked have said in no uncertain terms that they only certify a death as being caused by covid is if they know the patient would not have died if they did not have it.In other words covid caused their death no matter what other issues they had. I also know a little about the law.If a person with a heart condition is assaulted and dies of a heart attack during the assault or because of the stress associated with the assault,the person assaulting the victim is charged and often convicted of Murder-same thing with covid.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
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People can believe whatever they want (based on who knows what source) personally I will believe the certified medical professionals before I will believe the blowhards on fox or cnn news. And your lawyer gobbldygook cant cloud the fact that the analogy is identical in cause and affect. And I will clarify-all the doctors that have been asked here in the media as well as my own doctor whom I asked personally.
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