Below is a link that updates regularly regarding nations, cases, deaths, tests and other aspects.

Bryce

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Can anyone tell me the number of people who have died WITH COVID 19, and those that died BECAUSE of COVID 19?

You want actual statistics? Good luck.

Many gov't people are classifying and death with a positive covid-19 death as a covid-19 death. Including murders where the victim tests positive.

Approx. 7452 people usually die in US daily.

Last I checked in MN 50 some died, average age 85. Does that help?

Not really. The distinction is critical. If you jump out of a plane with no parachute and yet your doctor suspects you had COVID 19, then he or she reports that as a "COVID 19 death." I want to know "cause of death=COVID 19."

I don't know of anyone who has died of Covid 19 but plenty have died from corona virus. The govt is misleading people about this. They are testing for sars which is a virus not a disease. covid 19 is a disease. no one anywhere can show me a positive test for covid 19 but plenty of positive results for sars which is the virus. Kinda like having HIV but not full blown aids.

There is a lot of fake news out there.
The only people recorded as having died of covid 19 are those that doctors know they would not have died if they did not have covid 19.
Covid 19 CAUSED deaths are the only ones recorded.

Wow, wish I had your confidence.

Because of the descrepancies in reporting actual cause of death, and in some cases they don't know, that number will never be known for sure. There a certainly many cases where Covid may have been present or contributed to a death with underlying complications. While it may be callous to apply this to human death, in fish and wildlife population management this is called compensatory mortality, meaning individuals that would have died anyway. Thus the only accurate way to measure the impact of Covid 19 is to compare the current total mortality rate (deaths/1000) with Covid in the population, to previous total mortality rate for a comparible time period. That would compensate for the compensatory mortality.

Per CDC orders
If you die and have covid19, that is your cause of death
No matter how or what you die of
Check their website

There are serious consequences for falsifying a death certificate.
I dont know any doctor that would do that.What would be his reason for jeopardizing his practice/livlihood?
Doctors have repeatedly said that they only report deaths from covid if the person who died would not have died if he did not have covid.

Walleye:

What you say is 100% consistent with the information that I've received from two medical doctor friends of mine -- one from my state and one from a neighboring state. Their protocol, in lay terms is, if the patient exhibited certain symptoms, it gets chalked up to the virus -- because they don't have time/resources to chase down the sole, singular cause. And while it may sound callous to appear "nit picky" over causes of death, I don't give a lot of credence to numbers reported by a media that has a vested interest in fulfilling their own recent doomsday prophecies.

Boco, they aren't falsifying anything. And I'm a probate lawyer so don't tell me that doctors don't give "inaccurate" information on a death certificate. I litigate those cases all the time. Doctors aren't falsifying anything -- they are giving a reasonable medical opinion. The distinction I'm making is that a person can die WITH the virus and they can die BECAUSE of the virus. My point is I don't think that distinction is accurately represented in the reporting.

Rat,there are now 79 deaths in MN.
Tom

In NC we have over 5000 confirmed cases and over 100 of those could not be saved.

I have read that 80% of the COVID 19 patients that go on respirators do not survive. Is this because there is a shortage of machines and only the terminal cases are hooked up or is it a fact that once a patient's lungs reach a certain point, they are unlikely to recover. May both are true.

I have read a statistic that indicated only 20% of people who go on a respirator for any reason survive.

Well all the doctors that have been asked have said in no uncertain terms that they only certify a death as being caused by covid is if they know the patient would not have died if they did not have it.In other words covid caused their death no matter what other issues they had.
I also know a little about the law.If a person with a heart condition is assaulted and dies of a heart attack during the assault or because of the stress associated with the assault,the person assaulting the victim is charged and often convicted of Murder-same thing with covid.

Uh, NOT the same thing. One is a definition of the elements of a crime created by statute. The other is the actual causation of the event.

I'm suspicious when someone says things like "all the doctors . . . have said." Just like I would be suspicious if someone said "none of the doctors." All I can report to you is the two doctors I've personally talked to about it.

People can believe whatever they want (based on who knows what source)
personally I will believe the certified medical professionals before I will believe the blowhards on fox or cnn news.
And your lawyer gobbldygook cant cloud the fact that the analogy is identical in cause and affect.
And I will clarify-all the doctors that have been asked here in the media as well as my own doctor whom I asked personally.