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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846127
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Yes it is happening-several were shut down in Toronto.
If its not happening in your country perhaps that is why you have far more cases than anywhere else in the world.

I dont do the link thing but -There is a good article if you want to educate yourself-"coronavirus 5 months on what scientists now know about covid 19"


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846130
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What a scam!! Worldmeter had for PA deaths yesterday 837. Today nothing yet. Went to Pa dept health, they have 756 for today. DEATH RATE IS DROPPING??? 81 PEOPLE HAVE RISEN!!!! NO they ain't fudgin any numbers!!!!!!!


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846132
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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846135
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What does monitoring for compliance look like? Do the Covid Police come on-site with tape measures to make sure everyone is staying apart? Do you get fined if you jump in a backhoe without sterilizing it first?

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846138
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We do not have far more cases than anywhere in the world. We are at 112 deaths per million, but who knows how many corona deaths really are with the way they are counted. Spain is at 428, Italy is 376, France 286, UK is 215, Belgium 445, Netherlands 202, and you folks in Canada are at 35.

The percentage difference in 112 out of a million versus 35 out of a million is pretty insignificant. The death rate is not that great. Not even in Spain. 107/ 2500th's of one percent is not very many people.


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846140
04/17/20 07:04 PM
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Coronavirus is complex. No one can state that just because some cases are mild and some are deadly, that the virus is not a problem. As this was a question about the real statistics.
The real data shows that 2 virus strains appeared in China. There are now anywhere from 8 strains to 40 mutations. In New York, the majority of people who got it and died were Chinese and Italian, the two known worst strains in the past month. Blacks are now getting this and it is very hard on their population.

As of the death rate, that is not know, because China has lied. They produced over a thousand more dead today. I overlaid the death numbers of the USA and other nations on China, and their numbers were over 1 million dead in the same period. This would have expanded as China is still infected in reports from people inside China.
So adding real Chinese data, makes the numbers worse than flu. The fact is that when the most deadly strain was appearing in the United States and Europe, the death rate was around 24%. As the less deadly strains appear, the numbers have lowered to the 2.4% range.Those who keep stating "lot of people had this" are not factoring in those are not real numbers, and the lots of people had a less critical strain.
This virus is coming back in people who were cleared of it. They had no antibodies and they were testing positive and that data is from South Korea and China.

This virus acts more like an organism. It is a bioweapon and it's traits are like Lyme which is another bioweapon research release, as it keeps coming back in a percentage of people.
On the positive side, Chloroquine when it is not the vaccine people ruining the studies, when matched with zinc saves live. Ivomec has proven a treatment in Australia. I read a European report which linked those who had tuberculosis vaccines were not getting this virus, as this virus has TB spliced into it.

So unless the examination of the facts is complete, and has correct data, the numbers people are producing for their points are pointless.

I would add that South Dakota had 1 sick Mexican and now Sioux Falls is the hottest zone in the Untied States.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846141
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Total cases not percentages.For example-
USA tops the list at 34,000 dead
China with a much higher population only has 4000.

Last edited by Boco; 04/17/20 07:11 PM.

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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846160
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You can only get a real picture by looking at percentages. If you have 10,000 people who need to eat for a year, and only 10 steers to butcher, its going to get rough. If you have ten steers and ten people they are rich and can barter. Yet everybody still only has ten steers.


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846161
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Yeah those chinamen are sharp. They have acupuncture to treat the virus. Thats why their numbers are so low.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846162
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Star flakes your own numbers are meaningless. Without knowing percentages of sick people vs front line workers vs who ever else is using up tests, the numbers will always be skewed by the people selecting who gets tested.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846170
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I believe it was brought to certain areas of the US in Dec-Jan especially the areas that have international airports. 10's of thousands of people entered the US from Asia and Europe weekly. By Christmas this was already a known virus in China which means that it had been around for a few weeks at minimum. How many carriers entered the US in airports like Detroit Metro and spread into the community during that time? From the end of December until they named and tested for the virus people were admitted and died in hospitals with an unknown flu. Just look at NY going back and reclassifying earlier deaths with similar symptoms as Covid-19.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846190
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You guy's keep spouting percentages like the were gospel....

The total number of people infected is UNKNOWN

With out that there is no way to compute a percentage for morbidity or mortality .

It's called arithmetic for for those that ignored that part of there school years

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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Boco] #6846192
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Boco, if you truly believe China only has 4000 deaths from the Wu Flu I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell ya! Lol


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846197
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LOL.
I dont trust the Chinamen,They all look sneaky.

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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Ric] #6846202
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Originally Posted by Ric
You guy's keep spouting percentages like the were gospel....

The total number of people infected is UNKNOWN

With out that there is no way to compute a percentage for morbidity or mortality .

It's called arithmetic for for those that ignored that part of there school years



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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846207
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So, can anyone explain how some states or cities appear to be peaking in numbers of infected cases? That seems mathematically impossible until at least 50% or more of the population has been exposed. If that's the case there is a very low rate of infection and a miniscule mortality rate.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846215
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No one seems to want to understand that we actually have no clue how many cases we have, so none of the numbers are likely to be accurate. If most cases have no symptoms or half of them do or a third, no one knows.
It's like a shell game, the truth is never under the shell you pick up.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846222
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But are you following what I'm saying. There is no way that infections could peak and start to decline until there are fewer people left to infect.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: walleye101] #6846226
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Currently we are fortunate that of the confirmed cases which are about 699K we have just below 35K deaths or about 5%. In Spain, France, GB and Italy the death rates are from 10-13% of those confirmed. Germany has a very low percentage of just under 3%.

Bryce

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846229
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"of the confirmed cases which are about 699K we have just below 35K deaths or about 5%"

This is a useless statistic.

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