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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846237
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If somewhere north of 50% of infected people never get tested, it would follow that the morbidity rate is somewhere south of 2.5% in the US.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846248
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Missing 50% would only put us at 1.4 Million cases out of 350 Million population. How could the virus have peaked with so many uninfectedd people?

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: walleye101] #6846250
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Originally Posted by walleye101
But are you following what I'm saying. There is no way that infections could peak and start to decline until there are fewer people left to infect.


I'm going to switch camps here and disagree, infections could be peaking in areas because of the social distancing regulations and shut downs.


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: bic] #6846251
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Lee, your last 6 words prompted my curiosity to ask, How old are you. My Dad is 86 and uses that phrase quite often. smile


Bic, I'm not quite that old, but was a common phrase when I was growing up! I'm 73, going on 37, wish wish wish!


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Steven 49er] #6846686
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by walleye101
But are you following what I'm saying. There is no way that infections could peak and start to decline until there are fewer people left to infect.


I'm going to switch camps here and disagree, infections could be peaking in areas because of the social distancing regulations and shut downs.


So you believe that well over 300 Million people going to grocery stores and picking up carry out food have avoided exposure to this virus by standing 6 feet apart in the checkout lines?

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846789
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That's what we are being told by the authorities, walleye, so of course it's true!

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846791
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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6846824
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It up close 200 new cases in Iowa a day now. Govener say that peak out bs. I think end April is go be worse. I guess go jump up 4-5-600 plus cases a day, then be more stricter. Lockdown then now. This corner state has only few areas. In bigger city's or factory's. An retirement or care homes. That so many cases, some county's have 1 or 2 cases, yet govener put them on lockdown in ne Iowa, I think the end may., It be winding down, then possibly new waves come sometime when things relax more on regs on , that goverment has unless a vaccine

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847633
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the last i checked the kill rate was about 2% of those infected in the US. the problem with those statistics is they are not testing most of the people with it but when someone dies they check it. In our county alone I believe there are about a dozen positive case, but the health department had about 5-6 days ago around 500 cases with all the symptoms, but they are never tested and told to go home and self quarentine.
its like a lot of governement numbers, they just dont add up!

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847639
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Stanford doctors are now saying the infected rate is likely 50-80 percent higher than they first thought. That means the mortality rate is also way lower than the fear mongering numbers so many have been pushing. They are now thinking that covid has been in California for some time and that state may have herd immunity already. That certainly casts doubt on whether all these lock down orders were the correct course of action..


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847644
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I seen somewhere that NY is almost 4 times higher than any other major city worldwide per 100,000 people.

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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847660
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On one of the navy ships they found that 60% of the sailors have covid but show no symptoms. If this hold true here on land, there are a lot more infected than the current numbers suggest.

An excerpt from the news story: "At least 655 Roosevelt sailors have now tested positive, including one death and multiple hospitalizations, out of a total crew of a about 4,800. It’s startling that the Navy has found that out of over 600 COVID-19 infected sailors, the majority have displayed no symptoms. Testing is about 95% complete on the entire crew since the ship was diverted to Guam last month amid a spiraling crisis on board."

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847669
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43 infections in this county, 1 county away, 2, reported cases. Probly many hundreds. More not tested. Or no or minor symptoms of course. Stay close 200 a day new cases, wonder be like at end may? Slow down ?

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Steven 49er] #6847707
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by walleye101
But are you following what I'm saying. There is no way that infections could peak and start to decline until there are fewer people left to infect.


I'm going to switch camps here and disagree, infections could be peaking in areas because of the social distancing regulations and shut downs.



Social distancing isn't increasing heard immunity that is going to lead to another round of the virus at some time. What are the powers that be going to do about round two or round three? This could very well happen next fall around election time.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847711
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40,000 dead usa now

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: yukon254] #6847715
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Stanford doctors are now saying the infected rate is likely 50-80 percent higher than they first thought. That means the mortality rate is also way lower than the fear mongering numbers so many have been pushing. They are now thinking that covid has been in California for some time and that state may have herd immunity already. That certainly casts doubt on whether all these lock down orders were the correct course of action..


Actually, I think the Stanford study suggested it was 50X to 80X.......they tested 3,300 residents at random, and in an area that had only 1,000 confirmed cases, they were estimating 50,000 to 80,000 were showing antibodies for the virus. Is it possible the major wave has already passed with relative whimper?

Teddy Roo........significant as that is a closed environment in which it is highly likely that the entire crew of thousands would have been exposed and potentially inocculated.......yet they are not all testing positive. Same on other closed loops like cruise ships.....basically just about the same everywhere. In no place I can find did the "hammer fall".....reaching anywhere in excess of 10% to 20% of any population. Not the ships, not NYC, not Italy, not Spain anywhere. Bad if you get it, but how many get it?

Which raises yet another question.......CV19 really just one virus......or a family of related virus? Perhaps mutations? Some being really nasty.....others mostly benign. And if only one virus is the culprit.......is the +/- test specific to that one......or to one of several covid virus? And same with antibody test? Specific on one very specific CV19 responsible for all the damage......or ????

These guys sound like they know what they are talking about.....so they think they can ID 39 CV19 proteins that can interact with hundreds of protein cells in the body and can map out all those relationships.......and ID 60 some drugs to interfere with all that? To be able to bore down to that microscopic level and get that far that fast suggests somebody somewhere knows a whole lot more about all this than they are letting on.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/covid-19-treatment-ready-weeks-200418180005625.html

Also pathetic that you got to go to Aljazeera to find meaningful news. US news media is a national disgrace.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6847716
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We're doing nothing but killing the economy.
Look at Singapore, strictest quarantine of any country and they are getting hit hard right now.

Thumb sucker feel good measures, that's all.

Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Boco] #6848081
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Originally Posted by Boco
Total cases not percentages.For example-
USA tops the list at 34,000 dead
China with a much higher population only has 4000.


If the USA could give that cesspool New York to Canada you would top the list. crazy

8 hour layover in the Airport today and I'm so bored I started playing if they got the virus they probably wouldn't make it while people watching. OH my God! That one over there would never make it! Mostly judging them on obesity. frown

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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: Finster] #6848123
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~ 700,000 die each year from cancers in US each year. ~70, 000 die from flu viruses each year in US. C19 has taken about ~40k I beleive.


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Re: What is the actual death rate of COVID-19? [Re: walleye101] #6848124
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Originally Posted by walleye101
[quote=Steven 49er][quote=walleye101]
So you believe that well over 300 Million people going to grocery stores and picking up carry out food have avoided exposure to this virus by standing 6 feet apart in the checkout lines?


Yes and no.

Yes I believe the current policies are helping to flatten the curve. People are interacting less, people are traveling less. Take a trip through the cities at rush hour and it's obvious.

No i.dont think it's the right remedy.


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