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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: white17] #6849626
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Originally Posted by white17
Then explain to me why money is flowing into US treasury instruments from all over the world....which is actually driving UP the value of the dollar....not down. A stronger dollar depresses the price of oil and your beaver in dollar terms.

In dollar terms-thats the crux of the buiscuit.Dollar terms are no longer any good.Too much printing created puff money.
Be better off with beaver pelts than paper puff money.The real value of the petrodollar is now reflected in the value of oil.

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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849637
04/21/20 12:30 AM
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This whole situation......all that has transpired in the last 30 days or so as related to kung flu and global economy is totally unprecedented......Things never seen before happening....not one thing but many things...

Then people come along with the logic that nothing will change...... laugh Its all going to stay with the status quo.

..well, if that's what you think you better look around again and this time be observant.

Everything can change very dramatically within a very short time....and the mote 'firsts' we see the more firsts we will be seeing in the not very distant future.


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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849673
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Oil is cheap because demand has been destroyed and we are figuratively drowning in supply. IMO, it has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of the dollar.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Boco] #6849674
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by white17
Then explain to me why money is flowing into US treasury instruments from all over the world....which is actually driving UP the value of the dollar....not down. A stronger dollar depresses the price of oil and your beaver in dollar terms.

In dollar terms-thats the crux of the buiscuit.Dollar terms are no longer any good.Too much printing created puff money.
Be better off with beaver pelts than paper puff money.The real value of the petrodollar is now reflected in the value of oil.


I'm going to print this out for my wife to explain why I need to order a dozen belisle 330s, right now.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kansas Cat] #6849679
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Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Oil is cheap because demand has been destroyed and we are figuratively drowning in supply. IMO, it has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of the dollar.

Ask the Dairy Farmers about this.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Diggerman] #6849829
04/21/20 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Oil is cheap because demand has been destroyed and we are figuratively drowning in supply. IMO, it has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of the dollar.

Ask the Dairy Farmers about this.


I caught one sound bite on tv, it sounded like the dairyman they was interviewing had a cow to bottle operation with a limited base he was selling to. A bad situation for him and a great sound bite for tv. I'm not down playing the situation but it doesn't hurt to question what is really going on.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Okie Farmer] #6849851
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Right now there is a 10% over supply of milk over demand worldwide and domestically. With a highly perishable product that needs cold storage and is typically higher priced in the market due to protein quality etch we have an urgent issue in the dairy industry. Right now we have 9.4 million cows in the USA that means that close to a million of those cows are not needed to fill demand and what we don't know is how much longer will this issue last at close to this level, half this level or worse than we have now. Oil wells can be slowed or stopped and started up again. Biological or animal based cut backs are a whole different issue and will have longer term trade offs down the road.

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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849856
04/21/20 09:43 AM
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Maybe I missed something. Why has milk consumption been significantly reduced due to a disease pandemic?

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849858
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School lunch programs are closed down and resturants are closed down. And ice cream factories


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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Gary Benson] #6849864
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
School lunch programs are closed down and resturants are closed down. And ice cream factories


Oh right, so with kids being at home they're on a steady supply of soda instead.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849867
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Different packaging of dairy products for school and restaurant use versus retail. It's not as easy as selling the milk and cheese that was going to restaurants to individuals instead.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849871
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Restaurants are closed so there isn't as much of a demand for cheese or milk. The take out orders that some are staying open for are no where near the volume they used before.
Schools are closed so kids aren't drinking milk there. It may have been were some were getting it at. Maybe their parents don't buy milk for them at home.

There was an over supply before but this has been a huge hit.
Let's face facts a lot of people can't cook or just are too lazy to.They're being forced to so they're buying boxed prepared stuff. Where as restaurants would use cheese and milk in a lot of dishes and desserts.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849880
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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849887
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I haven't read the whole thread so if I sound as a broken record, sorry.

A while back there wasn't any milk around here to be bought. I was told since all the small school lunch size boxes weren't being used there was a shortage of gallon jugs. For a while we couldn't buy milk and then everyone had a limit of one. Now we have milk in every store with no limits.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Nessmuck] #6849909
04/21/20 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
^^^^^^^^^^^ and to think I took up baking 3 weeks ago.....thanks !

They look good , better watch it you might get so good you might start a bakery.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Foxpaw] #6849914
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
I haven't read the whole thread so if I sound as a broken record, sorry.

A while back there wasn't any milk around here to be bought. I was told since all the small school lunch size boxes weren't being used there was a shortage of gallon jugs. For a while we couldn't buy milk and then everyone had a limit of one. Now we have milk in every store with no limits.


Milk is expensive here. Surprised we're not seeing a price reduction to encourage consumption as a strategy to reduce waste.

Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kansas Cat] #6849925
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Originally Posted by Kansas Cat
Oil is cheap because demand has been destroyed and we are figuratively drowning in supply. IMO, it has nothing to do with the strength or weakness of the dollar.

Yes'sir, You nailed it right there, supply and demand, not dollars.

The person saying different has an anti-USA agenda, proven by his many prior posts.


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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849933
04/21/20 10:51 AM
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Don't forget the saudi-russian price war and the saudi's saying they could get by with $8 a barrel oil. That started the drop a few weeks ago. Impeccable timing.....


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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6849957
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Be a good time for the U.S. to fill up some old mines an dry wells , and save for a true disaster and not for holding a weight over the market. Bet any speculators will be staying away from the spot month from now on. I had 3 contracts of corn one time that I had bought way out and had forgotten about them and was high on the list and first notice day rolled around and cost me $1500 to retender, And that was in a fairly stable market.

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Re: YES OIL IS CRASHING !!!!!!!!!! [Re: Boco] #6849965
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Originally Posted by Boco
It will happen sooner than you think-the US dollar is now puff from all the printing of debt backed dollars driving down the dollar value of oil as can be seen by the way oil is going.It used to take 10 beaver pelts to buy a barrel of oil,now it only takes one.


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The Bank of Canada’s vast experiment in printing money may not end well"

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