Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/23/20 09:38 PM
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Mr. Jameson’s response on another thread got me to thinking. Didn’t want to hijack that thread. I’ve been trying out some new lures and bait since season closed. Mock dirt holes and pipes mostly. Sure does separate the wheat from the chaff. Some yotes don’t even break stride while others look like a bass when you set the hook as they get down wind. I’ve pulled my cameras now because it’s spring and figure the yotes reactions might not be the same as during the fall. Am I correct in doing this ?
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/23/20 09:47 PM
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Are you considering moving trap out to about 12 inches? That looks about the distance from nose to toes.
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/23/20 10:13 PM
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Thank you. Have many places to test this time of year. Cameras don’t get stolen as bad as in the fall. Those two yotes were very timid in their response. Hard chargers had their feet much closer but also farther back at some point. Close trap would have missed the bigger yote for sure. Trap back a little would have had a shot at all of them. The smaller yote is missing his toes on on foot. Interesting property. I have video of a three legged coon, deer and this yote. It’s right next to a highway.
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More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/24/20 11:47 AM
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Thank you Bob. Valuable insight as usual. I’ll play with them over the summer. But will get back hard on it around dispersal.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/24/20 05:31 PM
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Very interesting, thanks yote and Bob. What Bob said about a lured object close to a lured or baited set needs to be noticed. Especially with hole sets. They just gotta pee on something to tell the world " this is mine" ..
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/24/20 07:40 PM
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I saw that time and time again after they stole the bait out of the holes and pipes. Surprised that dirt hole wasn’t full of urine. They were still peeing on the sets a month later.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/25/20 10:07 AM
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Yote bed a trap with the jaws zip tied shut at the trail cam test sites to see if it makes a diff or not. I've done it without Cams and learned a bunch. It was an eye opener!
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/25/20 10:39 AM
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Yote bed a trap with the jaws zip tied shut at the trail cam test sites to see if it makes a diff or not. I've done it without Cams and learned a bunch. It was an eye opener! I'm 15 sets into that test so far. 2 holes foot and a half apart, same bait ,one with trap out front one without.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/25/20 01:20 PM
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Zip tied shut? You mean set trap correct. I have an old welded up 650 around here somewhere.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/26/20 10:04 PM
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Would not a steel plate about the same size of the trap work? No violation there but still same results I would think.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/26/20 10:31 PM
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I am not worried about metal or not, I have a couple 4 " PVC pipe pieces that are 1/2 inch. I bed it and try to get a print in the center. Sometime no pipe just loose dirt to look at tracks.
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/28/20 09:30 AM
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Zip tied shut? You mean set trap correct. I have an old welded up 650 around here somewhere. Yep, set and disabled , anchored. strke2x, no closed season for yotes in Michigan.. You can also dig a trap bed and sift it full, without a trap, and with a trap. You'll be surprised..
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/29/20 04:38 PM
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Found my welded up 650. I have a call into a warden.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/29/20 08:09 PM
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Zip tied shut? You mean set trap correct. I have an old welded up 650 around here somewhere. Yep, set and disabled , anchored. strke2x, no closed season for yotes in Michigan.. You can also dig a trap bed and sift it full, without a trap, and with a trap. You'll be surprised.. Hunting is open all year, trapping not.
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/30/20 09:46 AM
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True but read the upper left of page 5, pretty grey area . According to Plainwell Trapping and Hunting yotes on private ground is open all year. Personally it's promoting wanten waste of a valuable resource... They may look at it different up your way tho. When a paw hold is disabled by disconnecting the springs or zip tied the jaws it's just a piece of steel.. Make sure ya stake it tho. I've had coon and yotes carry them off..
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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04/30/20 03:53 PM
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I read it as on private land when they are doing or about to do damage. I just went through the process to get my ADC license and that explains "doing or about to do damage" pretty well. I don't see any reason to trap during off season unless they are really a problem. Like you said, that would be a waste.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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05/28/20 02:58 PM
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Just adding about the game cam part. I make my own and found no difference between white flash and IR, in fact have seen more negative reaction to IR (am talking deer here, for the most part they investigate and have had multiple of them walking up to and touching lens with nose). Fisher, coyote, coon, fox, bobcat, etc. have multiple pics. of them working bait (right now set for fisher and have at least 200 videos over 4 days in same spot, same at several other locations too). The fisher pics. are with a cheap Wildgame Terra Extreme ($50.00) I got specifically to test against a homebrew. Night videos with it are SUPER but daylight pics. to me suck (homemade uses a real camera so quality is better but trigger time is slower). Haven't made up any video builds but one about to make will use a GoPro but be day only video so nighttime won't be able to do...no flash. One thing you may encounter though is bear having an affinity of biting the camera. One picked up 2 days ago had both night and day pics. Have heard that the plastic smell makes them investigate more. Have several pics. of open mouths and teeth.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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05/31/20 09:27 AM
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I have been using trail cams for years. I use the picture mode at first to see if activity happens then I go-to video for the final testing. I started using them on my deer scent test sites. I make a lot more money selling deer scents so I needed to see the real-time activity. One thing I have noticed in testing both deer and ADC/Trapping is that a scent will work all year, but the animal's response will be different on both time spent and reaction. For example, Doe in heat urine is an attractant all year, I start all my New deer scent testing in June and go till Sept. A deer both doe and bucks will come to a doe in heat urine at this time, and just smell it. they may spend a min or maybe 2 or 3 mins then walk off. Where in the fall from mid-Sept to late winter the buck will pick up the urine from say 50 feet away and run into the scent and spend time smelling and pawling rubbing trees and just react hard to it. Doe will come in and spend time on the scent and even urinate at the spot. The point is the dee reacts to it all year, just different reactions. Furbearers are the same. most reading these posts are Fur trappers and are only interested in the scent/ baits reaction power during the trapping season. But many of us are full-time ADC/ Wildlife control trappers and we need to not only know what works but the 4 w's what, when, where, and why it works at different times of the year. Real field dirty knee knowledge and information is a powerful tool.
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Re: Trail cams and lure/bait tests
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06/03/20 07:04 PM
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In New York you may not set or stake a trap prior to 7am opening day of season. May or may not apply here.
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