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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856971
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When I sell wild meat here I have to give a note with it to the buyer stating it has not been inspected,thats it.Its up to him to check it before he eats it.
Wild meat bought like that is for personal use only.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Law Dog] #6857005
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I've been the kill man at our local locker for 24 years. I had a 15 minute conversation with the boss when I finished up my beef for the week this morning. It took 15 minutes because in that amount of time he got 3 calls from guys looking to schedule beef. Last call I heard was for 4 head the first week of August. It's never been this crazy

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Boco] #6857019
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Originally Posted by Boco
There have been outbreaks that kill people.
If they de regulate large processing facilities you will see what happens.

I said small processors big processors are dangerous and the USDA inspectors are often corrupt

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857025
04/27/20 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Originally Posted by Boco
There have been outbreaks that kill people.
If they de regulate large processing facilities you will see what happens.

I said small processors big processors are dangerous and the USDA inspectors are often corrupt


But how could you deregulate one and not the other?
That would be crooked.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857033
04/27/20 09:27 PM
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even hiring a few more inspectors (so that you could actually get one scheduled) and dropping the charges to get them there would help ( in our area). Maybe technology could be used ( video and instrument readings) could be used instead of actual on site inspectors?

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857041
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Meat inspection varies by state. All livestock butchered at state inspected meat processing facilities here in WI can be sold within WI but cannot be sold across state lines, unless said customer travels into WI to pick up their order.
Meat products from a federally inspected facility can be marketed out of state (WI). Before my wife and I retired from our beef business, we were licensed by WI DATCP for retail and also wholsale to consumers and businesses.
I can't speak for your small processors in other states, but here in WI most, if not all small processors are running at or near capacity.
On farm butchering (without a state or federal inspector present) cannot be sold legally at retail. All packaging must be marked in bold "NOT FOR SALE".
While I hope the meatpacking industry can get back in the game asap, I am distressed at what many livestock producers are facing currently.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: hippie] #6857042
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Originally Posted by hippie
Regulations are are small part of why "farmers" don't butcher and sell to the public.

He's gonna need a freezer to hang them in, somewhere to put all the off-fallings and more importantly the time to fiddle with it and still farm.

Most don't have a clue.

Most wont ,but some will
When i was a kid several people bought pigs from my grandpa we all got together and butchered those pigs . The people that bought those hogs helped butcher those hogs . It was a great community experience. It is illegal to do this . I can sell you a pig and provide you a place to butcher it but i cannot assist you in butchering it. It should be legal for me to help you

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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857047
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In oregon you are not supposed to provide a place -- off site or onsite by meat co only

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857065
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I have always wondered why a guide service can butcher for you but not a producer


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857070
04/27/20 09:59 PM
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lot of the beef and hog processors here stopped doing deer years ago because if they took wild game, that had to get reinspected.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: H2ORat] #6857188
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
In oregon you are not supposed to provide a place -- off site or onsite by meat co only


That smacks of eliminating competition through legislation... Wonder who lobbied for that?

Mike


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857200
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Originally Posted by hippie
Regulations are are small part of why "farmers" don't butcher and sell to the public.

He's gonna need a freezer to hang them in, somewhere to put all the off-fallings and more importantly the time to fiddle with it and still farm.

Most don't have a clue.

Most wont ,but some will
When i was a kid several people bought pigs from my grandpa we all got together and butchered those pigs . The people that bought those hogs helped butcher those hogs . It was a great community experience. It is illegal to do this . I can sell you a pig and provide you a place to butcher it but i cannot assist you in butchering it. It should be legal for me to help you


We do hogs that way, anywhere from 4 to 6. We did a couple beef but they are just too big and heavy so that ended with just the one time. They go to the butcher shop now.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857204
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Those community butchering days are some of my fondest memories .

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Boco] #6857207
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Originally Posted by Boco
When I sell wild meat here I have to give a note with it to the buyer stating it has not been inspected,thats it.Its up to him to check it before he eats it.
Wild meat bought like that is for personal use only.


Selling wild meat is forbidden across most if not all of the US. A holdover of our establishment of game laws was the blanket prohibition on market hunting.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857210
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Yep Bigfoot, I remember going to family and friends butcherings at a very young age. Some of the people, it's my only recollection of them.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857219
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Here in KS it is legal as your back door to sell coon beaver or muskrat meat. Or anything else you trap somebody wants to eat. It is legal to dress the animal beyond just skinning it. Remove glands guts head etc. Tularemia, round worms, tape worms, salmonella, E coli, giardia, are all very real possibilities selling wild animals for consumption. Still it is legal.

To tell somebody they can't sell a hog the same way is to much authority to allow our government to have. If you buy a walk in cooler, a tractor with a front end loader, an electric carcass splitting saw, a band saw, and a meat grinder, want to sell beef or hog meat you raised to the public, how is that not your right?. People are still free to buy all the mystery meat they want at walmart.

The answer is simple. The livestock producer would double his money and still be able to sell cheaper than meat processed by tyson, excell, national beef, cargill etc. They contribute serious money to political campaigns. They tell everyone meat processed by anyone else is "unsafe". The trapper selling a few coons has no effect on them so somehow that little niche market is safe.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857223
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A USDA meat inspector cost the processors that dont have a full time inspectors $114 an hr and you can only slaughter when they are available. From what i understand they are hard to get one scheduled for a day .There have been times in the past when it was almost impossible to get one part time

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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857225
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Butcher shops here charge 35 "kill fee" which is for the inspector.

There are farmers here than will kill and skin the hogs for 25 bucks. I don't know if it's legal or not but it happens.

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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857234
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P.S. 90% of the employees at Swift, Tyson, Cargill, Excell, Seabord Farms, Pilgrims Pride, etc are in this country illegally. Its not a secret. Drive over to any of their plants and see for yourself. Yet somehow the owners are never prosecuted beyond a relatively small fine. Every two or three years the feds pick one to raid and it shuts down down a few days. All the rest though it is business as usual til its their once every 30 years turn.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6857250
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Is kind of the same deal with lots of things when something like this bug comes. When you've lost that local business and then the big guys go down. Need only to look at the way it's been with oil for years. Only so many refinery and every time one goes down for any reason has a hick-up. Fuel price jumps up and there is a shortage. Now with this bug you got Smith Field down so hog farmers for miles around are in trouble. There is a big processor here in WI now got lot their people infected. Not sure how that is all working out..
The old timers had saying for lots of things and situations.
One the comes to mind for big business is. Not putting all you eggs in one basket.
Doesn't matter if every places is inspected or not will always be some try to get away with something.

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