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Deregulation of small meat processing facilities #6856558
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How come nobodys talking about this . It would change the dynamics of our meat supply chain if the custom meat lockers could sell meat or better yet if you could buy it fresh from the farm .

Now would be the best opportunity to get the laws changed to help the small processors compete .

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856567
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I agree -- there are alot of things in all business areas that could succeed with deregulation to some degree. What do you think pushed alot of companies out of country.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856569
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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856590
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Agreed

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856591
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Yep, I support it

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856592
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Not just meat. I'd love to be able to buy fresh milk from the farm.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856593
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The meat industry was regulated for a reason.
To keep diseased animals out of the food chain and to ensure pathogens dont make thousands of people sick-way worse than covid.Salmonella,Staphylococcus,E-coli-Listeria and a bunch of others that can be deadly and can kill a lot of people.

Last edited by Boco; 04/27/20 11:57 AM.

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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856597
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nonsense boco. that is the lie they told everybody to justify giving the food industry to corporations. independent people are much harder to intimidate into stupid stuff like gun control, common core math, seat belt laws, and building permits


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856601
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There have been outbreaks that kill people.
If they de regulate large processing facilities you will see what happens.

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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856602
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Yep. straight out of government inspected big 6000 head a week processing plants


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And caught and controlled.Deregulate you will have a nightmare.


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Mark, I agree. I thought it was a good idea 20 years ago. Just emailed my congresswoman and senators


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Boco] #6856610
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Originally Posted by Boco
And caught and controlled.Deregulate you will have a nightmare.

I don't think anyone is in favor of making unsanitary conditions, just allowing places to sell to whom they choose.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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I agree with Boco on this one.

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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by Boco
And caught and controlled.Deregulate you will have a nightmare.

I don't think anyone is in favor of making unsanitary conditions, just allowing places to sell to whom they choose.


You already can sell to who ever you want it just has to be alive when sold and then the buyer can have it processed. By selling live the buyer can then determine the health of the animal before slaughter. I have worked custom plants and a small pig plant ( 500 head a day) and been in lots of others over the years and can tell you there are some state licensed places I wouldn't eat anything that came from there. We've had lots killed on the ranches by mobile butchers and have killed a bunch ourselves and I think more local custom shops is a great idea but I sure wouldn't trust some of the people out there to sell a clean safe product.

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Originally Posted by Boco
The meat industry was regulated for a reason.
To keep diseased animals out of the food chain and to ensure pathogens dont make thousands of people sick-way worse than covid.Salmonella,Staphylococcus,E-coli-Listeria and a bunch of others that can be deadly and can kill a lot of people.



so by regulating it to keep 8 producers in the business using as much disposable labor as possible an 90% of the meat passes through these same 8 plants when one plant sends ecoli laden meat out it effects millions of people.

it's a catch 22

food insecurity , a few places so that if one gets ecoli it feeds it to millions

local butchers can process your animals for you but they can't be sold to public , if the local butcher who turns out very high quality and knows what a sick animal looks like is going to sell it only from his shop , he will make sure it is of excellent quality , because his name is on it.

should a place be bad and sell bad meat it will be out of business in no time and have only maybe made a few hundred sick not tens of thousands.

every time there is a ecoil scare the food industry uses it to make regulations harder on the small producer that is almost never the cause of the issue.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856626
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We are lucky around here, the Germans and the Poles still operate a lot of small family sized butcher shops and we Texans support them.
I would love to see those types of businesses reopen accross the country.


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Very good points Pete.


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Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856628
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Fear of lawsuits will keep them inline. This isn't The Jungle anymore.

Re: Deregulation of small meat processing facilities [Re: Bigfoot] #6856632
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If it was such a problem for all of the custom processors to turn out a safe product then why haven't we had more deaths/ outbreaks. With the small shops that are doing it now but aren't usda inspected we should be hearing about alot more problems. I have one local that is custom butcher/ cutting about 20 head of whatever per week and have used him for pigs and cows (usually butcher everything myself) . Why can I not buy a beef from him? Or have him process one for me to sell the meat? That is what makes no sense.

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