OK LOOK at the title and MY original thread . WE have destroyed our country and the greatest economy EVER!!!! Sweden didn't close down and has the SAME if not less death rate per capita than US !!! You know the place we live !!! The place our kids will grow up and deal with this crap the hand outs have left behind. MY whole point was if the death rate is the same even tho you didn't close anything what have you accomplished by booting people out into the streets.....
The crap they are touting now is testing. Big whoop. If you test positive the treatment doesn't change.

The same ones saying we need 300 million test are the ones that said 2.2 million would die. We really don't know the true NUMBER OF DEATHS from the virus. Read my other thread . This is one case I KNOW about....

Oh yea they said billary would beat TRUMP

Sweden Experiment is a Disaster. It will be interesting to see if the second wave kills more. I'm keeping a low profile until Summer 2021. I'm fortune to have that ability, god bless those that don't. Reporting in from Western New York.

Based on employment and STILL the number of deaths looks like our "experiment" isn't working out to good either.

Is any of this good? Ask yourself. I'm glad they tried it just to see the differences. If I had to pick, it would be our response. I do believe if we did nothing and went on business as usual; we would have had an extraordinary amount of death. Its to early to tell if we did to little or "to much" My families and I health are most important.

Then look at the numbers from the post before yours.

Sweden 19,621 cases 2355 deaths 12% death rate be confirmed case
Denmark 8851 cases 434 deaths 4.7%
Norway 7619 cases 206 deaths 2.7%
Finland 4740 cases 199 deaths 4.1%

You says Sweden has 10 million people while Denmark and Norway have about 6 million each. So 10 million compared to 12 million. Sweden with 10 million has 2355 deaths, Denmark and Norway with 12 million have 646 deaths. With populations fairly close, Sweden had 4 times as many deaths. That's getting it right?

Last night on PBS some guy was interviewing a doctor from Sweden. He said something to the affect of how proud she must be with Sweden with how they've handled this. She looked and said what are you talking about, our death rate is so much worse then our neighboring countries. By the look on his face you could tell that wasn't the answer he was expecting to get.

We can't undo any of the decisions that were made about how to handle Covid-19. Trying to point blame and overly worrying about what ifs is nearly pointless and not productive, except where it concerns how we might deal with a future pandemic. This was a novel disease it was better to be overly cautious then under cautious.

Deciding how to handle things better in the future is important. Health screenings of people seeking to enter the US seems like a very good idea. Bans on travel from countries that allow their people to live and shop in unsanitary conditions, also seemd like a good idea.

Keith

This simply isn't the case. Stanford doctors have now concluded that the virus was in California ( and probably everywhere else) long before we shut things down. Fact is most people have very mild cases, many dont even know they have it. It defies common sense to think the first lady that tested positive in the US was the first actual case. Its been here for awhile. A front line New York doctor is now saying we need to open up, the sooner the better.

If its anything like the spanish flu the second wave in the fall will be much deadlier than this first one,and its been a doozie so far.
I agree that social distancing has kept it from becoming an all out slaughter.
Have to keep an eye on Italy and Spain this fall to see how bad the second wave will be.

I didn't say Sweden's approach was right or wrong. I simply stated some facts that should be considered in any analysis. Don't try to put words in my mouth when you don't know what I'm thinking. Pick a fight elsewhere.

USA-177 deaths per million of population.

Sweden-233 deaths per million of population.

Norway & Finland - high 30's deaths per million of population.

Not a single country in the World is done with the virus yet. The countries are all at different levels of exposure.

Keith

You might want to reread my post, I think you're overreacting a bit. At no point did I say you made any claims about Sweden's approach. I only used your population numbers and another poster's death numbers, and then compared Sweden to other countries in the area. I wasn't picking a fight, I was just doing the same thing you were doing, stating some facts that should be considered in any analysis.

There might be one difference. The second wave of the Spanish flu came at the same time World War 1 ended. Thousands upon thousands of people went out in large groups in the streets to celebrate the ending of the war. Definitely no social distancing.

But I do agree a second wave will come next fall.

Nations or governmental units will and have tried several different methods and we are finding that none are really effective, some better than others at least in the initial phases of this virus. With several different methods used each governmental unit can learn a bit more from each and then put together hopefully better overall plans short and long term. The fact that the whole world has scientists looking for treatments and working on vaccines will help find the solutions faster. Probably one of the reasons the world does not take drastic attempts to close down for the flu as we have vaccines, treatments and we know that the death rate per infected person is far below the roughly 4-6% we are seeing with Covid at the present time. Humans are social animals and thus interaction is a vital part of our being and billions of humans live in very crowded and densely populated regions which reduces our ability to control the spread. Also herding humans is like herding cats, we are independent and inclined to do as we please not as told or recommended and that greatly increases the spread of contagious diseases.
We don't and won't know the real outcome of different methods for months yet but to date the few nations that really got on to intense mitigation early are having the fewer cases, fewer deaths and returning to phased in normality quicker and more safely.

Bryce

OK, since I have no crystal ball I just posted where things are at today....those things may or may not show that Sweden got anything right, depends on how you want to interpret them.

Sweden may be leading in the cost - benefit analysis. How much has Sweden spent per life saved?

I heard North Korea is ahead in that department- everyone that tested positive was shot in the head.

I can always count on Boco to put things in proper perspective. LOL

OK don't think I haven't any remorse for people that have lost someone during this . But when figuring cost do you think anyone in government has thought about how many billions in medicare will be saved because of the elderly passing at a high rate?

It all effects the bottom line.................
Beds are opening up in nursing facilities, Nature at work. I called this a human distemper 3 months ago

Sweden has twice the population of Norway but the death rate suggests a huge variation based on a number of factors. Sweden didn’t lock down the way it’s neighbors did. Demographically it may be different also (I don’t know). But if the experiment was to see how open one could keep one’s society to avoid illness, the death percentages suggest the experiment wasn’t successful.