Travel ban on Europe?
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Now that the U.S. is about as infected with Corona as most any other place, why do we still have a ban on international travelers? Can we remove this and maybe get some business going on?
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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International travel should be permanently banned-every country should have a wall.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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International travel should be permanently banned-every country should have a wall. Oh man I openly apologize to some Canadians (on another thread) and just look at the thank you I get LOL
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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Most areas of the US, besides large cities, have only had a few cases of Covid-19. There is the big question of what to do with foreign travelers if they get sick here with Covid-19. They have no home here to quarantine in. I think it's to early to allow foreign travelers in the US.
Keith It may well be the same in Europe that the highly infected areas are the cities. I have no problem with restricting travel from hot zones. Most of us are going to get infected. The only reason given to restrict travel is to slow the rate to a level that does not overwhelm the medical system. I would be okay with restricting travel from Europe of the unhealthy people that may need medical care here if they get it. Don't want them getting it. I really see no great increased risk, if people from anywhere with a low infection rate where they live travel to any place with a higher or similar infection rate if they social distance. As far as the quarantine issue, they are already quarantining slope workers from the lower 48 in hotels. You don't need a home. Are States banning people from New York City from traveling to their State? I would!
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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but how do you restrict travel from hot zones
I think re-opening county by county makes the most sense but unless you put national guard at every road that crosses a county line how else would you do it?
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but how do you restrict travel from hot zones
I think re-opening county by county makes the most sense but unless you put national guard at every road that crosses a county line how else would you do it? I.D. Passport has your address. I looked at two maps of Gemany and Switzerland and they got the countries mapped by cases and it is similar to here. States in Gemany and Cantons in Switzerland. I'm sure they got city breakdowns too.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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but how do you restrict travel from hot zones
I think re-opening county by county makes the most sense but unless you put national guard at every road that crosses a county line how else would you do it? I.D. Passport has your address. I looked at two maps of Gemany and Switzerland and they got the countries mapped by cases and it is similar to here. States in Gemany and Cantons in Switzerland. I'm sure they got city breakdowns too. for international but how do you know when say you flew into one air port you didn't drive to NYC get corona then off to several other places. your thinking controlling hot spot counties internationally , I was thinking hot spot counties domestically.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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Once we allow our citizens to travel freely we should consider extending travel to foreigners. Not before. My 14 day quarantine ended today at 7:30 am. I'm not surprised that I did not develop any symptoms because I followed the guidelines when I visited the lower 48 and didn't travel to any of the hot zones.
Unless someone is traveling from a hot spot they should be allowed to travel freely. Last time I checked I'm supposedly a citizen of a free country and not a totalitarian state governed by despots and the bureaucrats that advise them.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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I didn't think I would have to explain the importance of foreign trade to trappers who sell most of their fur to foreigners when they can come here to buy it. I don't want them to come, for them. I want them to come so this Alaskan can pick thier pockets. Then I can give some of it to Uncle Sugar.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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I didn't think I would have to explain the importance of foreign trade to trappers who sell most of their fur to foreigners when they can come here to buy it. I don't want them to come, for them. I want them to come so this Alaskan can pick thier pockets. Then I can give some of it to Uncle Sugar. I very much understand that most of ours furs are sold to foreigners. I also very much don't want to put the health and lives of my fellow Americans at risk for a small amount of personal gain. If a few months of inconvienence and lower earning for me saves the lives of many elderly and many Americans with suppressed immune systems, I will voluntarily be inconvienced and earn less to help. In times of crisis we should pull together. God Bless America! Keith
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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"Earlier this month, I reported our low customer census due to the COVID-19 pandemic. YKHC experienced over a 70% decline in daily census at the hospital for the first week of April. This includes a 60% decrease in outpatient visits and a 70% decrease in Emergency Department visits. Compounding this situation was the State of Alaska’s cancellation of non-urgent Medicaid travel from our 50 villages to the sub-regional clinics or the Bethel hospital. Also, the region’s largest airline, Ravn, went out of business and may or may not restructure.
Although we recently received several weeks’ worth of CARES Act funds designated for the Indian Health Service and community health center facilities, those funds are strictly for COVID-19 expenses and we are unable to use them for anything else. We also expect to receive additional CARES Act funds. While we expect Governor Mike Dunleavy to announce that non-urgent Medicaid travel will resume next week, we do not expect customer census to return to what it was before COVID-19 until a vaccine is available. The COVID-19 pandemic is devastating our monthly financials.
We have recently experienced a slight increase in our outpatient customer census, but our hospital daily census is still down approximately 50% and our village visits are also down 20%. This is approximately a $5-8 million loss per month to YKHC. Compared to other rural health systems with over a $200 million annual budget, YKHC is in a strong financial position, but we cannot sustain large monthly losses over a long period of time. YKHC is similar to many other businesses: we are dependent on having customers to serve.
I am disappointed to announce, based on our low customer census and financial projections, that YKHC will be forced to furlough and reduce our workforce by 300 employees. Notifications of affected employees will begin on Wednesday, April 29, and be completed by Friday, May 8. This will largely affect non-providers because we need to maintain a strong provider workforce in the event we encounter a surge of COVID-19 cases. This furlough will be in effect for four weeks. If our customer census increases during that time, we may be able to bring some furloughed employees back into active employment but the remainder will be laid off after four weeks. We will continue to monitor our customer census over the next several months, and if our census continues to remain low, we will have additional layoffs. '
Maybe I can help out these guys. Looks like they need some Corona patients.
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Re: Travel ban on Europe?
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05/06/20 01:25 PM
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Well I think I may be able to work out a deal with Wesley Mouch at the Bureau of Economic Resources and Natural Resources. Thanks for all your help regarding this economic problem I am having. I knew I could count on your support.
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