Re: GA Shooting
[Re: stinkypete]
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05/11/20 04:37 PM
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This incident sure raises an important question. How many people know the laws in the state they are currently residing in?
How many folks traveling through other states take the time to review laws they may be affected by?
-Goofy-
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Re: GA Shooting
[Re: stinkypete]
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05/11/20 04:41 PM
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The MSM sold it as a innocent jogger and many folks just can’t get past that even after seeing the video it seems. Should he be shot for trespassing no, but what about trying to take the shotgun away?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 04:43 PM
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I'm thinking this'll probably end up like the Zimmerman/trayvon Martin thing. Someone follows someone suspected of breaking the law, and the confrontation turns deadly due to the dead guy trying to fight a guy with a gun. Not illegal to follow someone, but dumb a dumb choice. And an even dumber choice to fight gets made by the dead guy, resulting in his death. In the he end the shooters will probably be found innocent but broke and devastated.
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Re: GA Shooting
[Re: stinkypete]
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05/11/20 04:50 PM
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If someone tried to take a gun away from your son or loved one would you shoot them before they might do them harm?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 04:53 PM
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That looks like another concerned neighbor. He is not dressed like either of the McMichaels.
I think this is an interesting case. I don't believe that confronting a trespasser/burglar is a huge hurdle for a defense attorney in this case. It obviously opens them up to civil and criminal cases that will likely bankrupt a family.
However the actual shooting video appears favorable for a defense lawyer. The jury will be asked to put themselves in the shoes of those involved. I don't believe that most jurors will see themselves running towards an obvious threat with a shotgun. It is evident that threat was perceived by Ahmeads movements and using the vehicle for cover to close the distance. Once that distance was closed, Ahmead grabbed the barrel of the shotgun in an attempt to overpower McMichael. Ahmead subsequently lost part of his hand during the initial contact with the first blast. The next few seconds of the video show him pressing the attack which would have been effective and likely victorious if not for that damaged hand.
Alternatively, there are many here and I suspect in the Georgia jury pool that will relate to neighborhood watch and the attempt to care for their neighbors and neighborhood. The idea of standing in the middle of the street holding a shotgun will be a reach for many of those same jurors. I wonder how they'll relate. It is obvious from the video that Ahmeads reaction is unexpected and poorly handled with some chaos. Once physical contact is made, there is undeniably a fight for your life situation on both sides. Apparently in Georgia, it's not self defense because there is no felony committed. At least according to DA #3.
In the end it'll come down to jury selection. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a not guilty verdict. I think charging that father makes that more likely. In any case, I don't see the father being found guilty. The son may end up with manslaughter.
Overall I think it's a great video to think through how your actions may or may not cause a desired response. Kind of like divorce, each party has a large vote in how things go.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. -Gustav Mahler
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 04:53 PM
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If someone tried to take a gun away from your son or loved one would you shoot them before they might do them harm? Instantly and legally justifiably. Keith
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 05:02 PM
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Ahmaud Arbery: Owner of construction property says he was not robbed Central to the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery has been the idea that the young man was a suspect in a string of robberies. However, police have refuted that claim as there were no thefts in the Brunswick, GA neighborhood in the weeks leading up to the slaying. Now, the owner of the house that Arbery was seen inside has spoken out saying that his property was not robbed. Previously, there was confusion around whether or not the young went into the house or only looked in the window. According to reports, it has been determined that he did enter into the house. Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not robbed. “That’s completely wrong. I’ve never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery,” he said. The waterfront house was supposed to be a retirement home for English and his wife but now says that he will probably never live on the property. He claims that he has been receiving death threats, and his wife is afraid to ever move in. Complete article link here: https://thegrio.com/2020/05/11/ahmaud-arbery-construction-property-was-not-robbed/
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 06:42 PM
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If they had multiple videos of him breaking and entering and stealing why wasn't he in jail and how come the police had never arrested him for it? Also for just a minute what would you do if you hadn't done anything wrong and 2 black guys stuck a shotgun in your face? BINGO. Where at?
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 06:45 PM
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If they had multiple videos of him breaking and entering and stealing why wasn't he in jail and how come the police had never arrested him for it? Also for just a minute what would you do if you hadn't done anything wrong and 2 black guys stuck a shotgun in your face? BINGO. I’d follow simple directions until the law got there and straighten it out. Boom
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 06:47 PM
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This wasn't the dead guys first rodeo.Them guys are gonn get off free in my opinion.
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Re: GA Shooting
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05/11/20 07:03 PM
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I agree with Wolfdog on his statement
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