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Rheumatoid Arthritis #6874951
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As anyone who has this autoimmune condition knows it can have a dramatic effect on just about all aspects of life. I am not a doctor, but want to share my experience because of the devastating effects this disease, and the drugs used to treat it can have. I am only going to hit the high points because the story is long; feel free to PM me for sources or more info.

Early last winter I started having trouble with my right wrist. I had lost my trap setters so was setting everything by hand. I thought this was the reason for the soreness but it just kept getting worse. It got to the point I couldnt even sleep. The pain was terrible. I was trapping and had clients so had to keep going. Luckily my son wasn't busy so he came out and was a great help. By February I couldnt even hold a knife. It just wasn't getting better. I toughed it out through the season then started my journey through the medical system. After many X-rays, MRIs and blood work I was diagnosed with RA.

By that time I had done a lot of research and kinda knew what I had. I also knew they were going to prescribe Pregnazone and Mexothrate....both very nasty drugs. During my research I had run across Jordan Peterson and his daughter Makayla. Makayla had been diagnosed with RA many years previously. Her journey was a rough one. She ended up having a few joints replaced and was in constant pain. Then she started the carnivore diet....all symptoms disappeared. That was a few years ago now and she is still symptom free.

To make a really long story short, I started the carnivore diet, and kept doing more research. My symptoms got better almost overnight; and they just kept improving. Then I found the Paleomedicina clinic in Hungary, and it changed the way I thought about diet and disease. Basically they treat many diseases with diet. Autoimmune is one of the most common. The diet consists of animal products almost exclusively. The ratio of fat/protein is important, and 2:1 is recommended. I started their diet almost two moths ago now and the results have been nothing short of dramatic. My joint pain is gone. In addition to that, I have lost 19 pounds and my blood pressure is now perfect.

The cause of all autoimmune disease ( and most others) starts in the gut. Intestinal permeability is the root cause. Thats what the diet Im following addresses.


Although my right wrist was the worst, I could feel it starting in my neck.During the months before I knew what was going on, quite a bit of damage occurred in my right wrist. I did lose some mobility in it. Wouldn't have wanted that to happen in my neck! My hope is that this might help someone. Some sources I recommend looking into are the Paleomedcina clinic, Dr Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, and many many more. Just look on Youtube under Carnivore doctors. Its worth noting that many other conditions can be managed/cured with diet. Today I feel 10-years younger. Modern medicine has been wrong about animal products for decades and our collective health has suffered because of it. Again, Im not a doctor, but I have no doubt about my experience and have talked to many others who have had the same experience.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874954
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Thank you for posting this. I have issues lol and haven't heard of this. I will for sure research this tonight. Again thanks, I appreciate all idea's and testimonies that may help not just me but everyone who has health problems.

Jeff


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: Catch22] #6874957
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Thanks you for sharing



Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874963
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Thanks, Yukon! Gonna need to check into this further.

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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874964
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If you desire more information on this subject, go to newagtalk.com. kitchen table forum.

John Burns is a Kansas farmer who has pages of info and video on this topic.
He was diabetic and taking insulin shots daily. Within two weeks of starting the diet he was and has been off any medications.
He has lost over 100 pounds and all his health and joint problems have disappeared.
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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874966
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Yep know the feeling and pain Deal with it every day.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874969
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Interesting stuff Yukon. I'm really glad you took the time to share that with your Trapperman family.

The idea of treating the root causes of disease instead of blocking symptoms is one that I believe in as well. Two years ago something was going on with me and RA was what they thought it might be. A rheumatologist discovered what I had was polymyalgia rheumatica which I have been treating with prednisone. I think I'm over it now and have stopped taking prednisone.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874975
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Same here. It does work. Labs are usually really good also. The only thing that messes with mine now is Beer. A night of campfire beers makes it hard to get moving in the AM......not like a hangover.

Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: dkrug] #6874982
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Originally Posted by dkrug
Yukon 254
If you desire more information on this subject, go to newagtalk.com. kitchen table forum.

John Burns is a Kansas farmer who has pages of info and video on this topic.
He was diabetic and taking insulin shots daily. Within two weeks of starting the diet he was and has been off any medications.
He has lost over 100 pounds and all his health and joint problems have disappeared.
wink


Thanks, I havent heard of this site and I will check it out. During the research I did I found that epilepsy has been being treated very successfully since the 1930s with a high fat diet by some doctors. I know John Hopkins is doing it often now. For me its really kind of hard to explain just how dramatic the effect has been. I just hope this becomes mainstream soon. My wife works with the elderly and dementia is very prominent in that age group. Research has shown that statin drugs, and a low fat diet are the root causes of that. Interestingly where we live there is a large population of First Nation people. Dementia in their population is much much lower than in ours and of course they eat a lot of animal fats and always have. The very foods that we have been told to avoid.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6874984
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Yukon any issues with cholesterol or blood pressure?

Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: MChewk] #6875006
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Originally Posted by MChewk
Yukon any issues with cholesterol or blood pressure?


Blood pressure went from an average of 135/90 to 112/63 . Cholesterol hasn't been checked yet, but Im not worried about that. Lots of research on it that you would have to look into. Your body needs it though thats for sure.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6875028
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Yukon, I was also diagnosed with an autoimmune disease after the first of the year. Started with shoulders and neck then hip and upper legs. Couldn't sleep, lost weight , hurt to lift things etc. Sucks. Prednisone and much better now but takes a long time to get over. Was not arthritis but PMR. Look it up.

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I was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis which is arthritis of the spine. It's genetic and now that I look back I can see the effects of it back to when I was in high school. I was diagnosed in my late 20s. RA not only affects your joints but lots of other problems. Not only was my neck always stiff like I had been pile drived, but I had anemia. My rheumy put me on humira. That was a game changer. No anemia and no stiffness. I do eat pretty healthy though.

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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6875047
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Yukon do you remember the blood tests they did for you? The 3 they did on me were C-reactive protein, ANA and ESR. Mine were pretty high.
My nurse (wife) said I will never be cured it just goes in remission.

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Yukon I may have to try the diet. Ironic when I was at the doctors office (more than once) while I was really suffering my blood pressure was the best it has been for a LONG time. Yes I take meds for that.

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Originally Posted by ratbrain
Yukon do you remember the blood tests they did for you? The 3 they did on me were C-reactive protein, ANA and ESR. Mine were pretty high.
My nurse (wife) said I will never be cured it just goes in remission.


They did a bunch of blood tests. My CPP was over 200. That one alone is really the way they diagnose RA now. I was negative for the RF factor which is quite common they told me. If your CPP is elevated like mine was, then you have RA. Your wife is correct as far as modern medicine is concerned...you cant be cured. Heres the deal though. The meds they put you on are slowly killing you. Research shows that people with RA ( and other autoimmune diseases ) have a life expectancy of 10-15 years less than the general population.Thats a lot of years. The decreased life expectancy is because of two things.....(again Im NOT a doctor, this is just what the research shows)...inflammation that damages joints and organs, and the medications doctors prescribe. The PKD diet gets rid of the inflammation. They know this through blood tests. Of course by not taking the drugs you are avoiding the damage they do, and that is extensive. My goal from day one was to avoid the drugs at all costs. I knew the damage those drugs would cause.

I dont want to tell anyone to quit taking meds, but here are the facts I have found. Blood pressure can always be controlled by diet, period. All autoimmune disease starts in the gut, and the doctors at Paleomedicina say that if the diet is followed, the condition will go away.Thats the kicker though, most people cant follow it.....I dont have any problem following it because I do not want to take the drugs. My advice is to do your own research. Listen to the many many youtube videos and read the case studies. It really does work. As a matter of fact there are so many people that have gone the route I have that a lot of the doctors I mentioned feel that this will be mainstream soon. There are just to many cases that have been resolved to ignore.

My aha moment was when I read a study that showed that when people fasted their RA symptoms went away; not just some people but all people in the study. So I tried it. My symptoms improved remarkably in just two days. Of course they came right back when I started eating again, but that proved to me that my diet was responsible. So many resources out there now so look into them. If you want the PKD diet send me a PM and I will send it to you.


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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6875088
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Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6875128
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My affliction is not RA, there are other tests he performed. This is a rheumatologist not a GP.

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Beaverpeeler- That is what I was diagnosed with. How long did you have to take meds??

Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis [Re: yukon254] #6875162
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Two years. For some folks it is from there on out but my rheumatologist informed me that some people have it go away on its own over time. I was told to drop my dosage gradually so I was dropping it one mg per month. I had a little flare up 6 weeks after having stopped altogether but I seem like I'm OK now. Stopped altogether at the end of November 2019.

I took prednisone starting at 20 mg per day and eventually dropped down to 1 mg. This all took place over about 15 months.


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