Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: AJE]
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05/17/20 10:41 AM
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I would not say all of the decisions Delta made were based on science. The canvasback work in Canada MB Coonguy spoke of was started because a guy in Canada that donated a lot of money wanted more Canvasbacks. He liked hunting divers and the canvasback falls into that class. They nest on floating cattails on the water. So it is a little different than ground nesting ducks. Do they need help? I would guess as much as most duck types. Delta never really spent much time speaking to the trappers about what they saw and felt was going on. We were told by the more educated office workers what was going on, and what we needed to do. As said above the trapper was told to go after coon and mink on the canvasback work. You would think that makes sense, but fox and coyotes will go out in the water for a meal also. I have seen pictures and video of it. The 100 skunks per square mile would be a record take, from what I saw. I would think the average number of predators I removed off a 36 square mile block, was closer to 10 per square mile in eight years of work. Some sections you may take three times that number and others you may take next to nothing on. About one third was skunks, a third coon and the last third made up of coyotes,fox, badger and mink. The mink population varied more than the others and it followed the muskrat population. I had to have permission on 80% of the grass to trap the block. What wasn't grass was small grain for the most part. Some of ground you did not have permission to be on, and some the only place to set was the ditch.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: walleyed]
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05/17/20 10:47 AM
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^^^ Which is why I changed who I support. X 2 Ducks Unlimited is an anti-hunting & anti-trapping pro-animal rights group just like HSUS & PETA. w PROOF?
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: AJE]
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05/17/20 11:37 AM
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If ducks have a 20-30% hatch rate they should increase in numbers. I was always told 15% would maintain the population by Delta. The last I worked for Delta they were checking the success of trapping small grass blocks that were scattered out. There was no real rhyme to the shape of the lay of the grass. The grass was often less than a section or even less than a quarter in each given block of grass. You might drive 2-5 miles between grass blocks. I liked a 6x6 mile blocks much better and felt it produced more ducks.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: walleye101]
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05/17/20 12:21 PM
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If the price of fur doesnt pop back up soon, maybe dicks unlimited and the wild turkey fed will kick in a little bounty
Unfortunately DU has taken a position that predator management does not improve duck production. I think their position is based on political correctness more than science. Delta Waterfowl says otherwise. 100% agree
"Where Can A Man Find Bear Beaver And Other Critters Worth Cash Money When Skinned?"
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: walleye101]
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05/17/20 12:21 PM
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If the price of fur doesnt pop back up soon, maybe dicks unlimited and the wild turkey fed will kick in a little bounty
Unfortunately DU has taken a position that predator management does not improve duck production. I think their position is based on political correctness more than science. Delta Waterfowl says otherwise. The only thing I heard was their predator control is not working good enough and they need to improve.
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Re: Biggest nest thief
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05/17/20 12:46 PM
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^^^ Which is why I changed who I support. Add my name to that list Delta actively supports trapping
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Re: Biggest nest thief
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05/17/20 01:20 PM
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Below is a link that gives a brief overview of the basic programs and areas of main interest etc. for both DU and DW, as that is many times debated on this forum. Both have conservation as the main program but both have different methods or programs to accomplish their goals. For $35 per year a person could support both. Due to their much lower membership and budget DW concentrates on more lower cost methods of enhancing waterfowl popultations. Bryce https://www.splitreed.com/all-stories/du-vs-dw
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: bblwi]
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05/17/20 01:45 PM
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A section is huge when compared to some of the landscape we have east of the Mississippi, also the percentage I used was based on information that I read about 15 years ago and maybe why waterfowl numbers are increasing in general. It also shows if we create habitat that species will respond positively and that predator issues are less of an issue when habitat is there. Also we have been in general wetter as of late and that increases habitat for waterfowl and other water dependent species.
Bryce An article in the DU magazine a couple of years ago explained their position on predator management. They cited the expense of the aggressive predator management (bounties or hired trappers) needed to make any difference as the main reason it was not cost effective. They believe that investing in good habitat has better long term benefits than predator management. Up until then I could accept, if not agree with, their rational. However, near the end of the article they added that trapping predators to increase waterfowl abundance could be viewed unfavorably by some, which may affect DU fundraising efforts.
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Re: Biggest nest thief
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05/17/20 05:14 PM
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One predator but you all left out is snakes. I wonder how many snake traps DU or DW put out. That’s because snakes here, other than venomous, are protected. Just like aerial predators, some things just don’t need mentioning.
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: AJE]
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05/17/20 10:48 PM
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Don’t buy into that tick thing I think some bunny hugger made that up to give them a reason to be on earth, the ones I get in the summer are covered with ticks.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Biggest nest thief
[Re: AJE]
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05/18/20 09:29 AM
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Its a lot easier for "GROUPS" to conduct some type of fund raising functions and purchase a deep-water marsh than to actually MANAGE a piece of ground for a crop (be that corn, grass, trees, or wildlife). If you are trying to produce (AND I MEAN PRODUCE) " the biggest crop" with the funds you have you better be able evaluate just what maximizes your return on the dollar. In highly managed systems DIVERSITY does not (NOT) mean you will get the max production of your crop. Go tell a corn producer that marestail, velvetleaf, foxtail, corn borer, white mold etc., in/competing with his corn crop is good and "Mother Natures" diverse way. See what he says. Go tell a forest/paper producing company that they should leave all the shrubs and broadleaf trees etc., to grow alongside the valued conifers because it adds "Diversity". See what they say. Go tell a rancher that hoary cress, red cedar, leafy spurge, common ragweed etc., in their pasture shows great promise for a "Diverse Eco-tone". See what he says. If you own/manage a piece of america and you want to maximize production on it you need to look at all the items and conditions that "LIMIT" your production. A few years back I was involved where Nebraska G&P received a wetland complex from DU here and since waterfowl production was the emphasis they immediately removed all the mature stands of cottonwoods (the coon, opossum dens, raptor perches, and sometimes eagle nesting spots) to benefit the waterfowl position on the landscape. So the bottom line is if the science supports the production increases, don't let bureaucrats and GROUPS cloud the issue. Like I said, its a lot easier to buy America and sit back and view slides , buy paintings, raffle a gun and go to meetings than to "Support" the facts.......... off the soap box. Hey MJM,,, did you use the 220's in the wood boxes for the trap as I saw F&W sold about 900 of them 2 years ago?
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