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Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! #6877241
05/19/20 08:52 PM
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A request has been made to stop all beaver trapping in Oregon on all National Forests and other public lands. Public comment on this issue closes May 24th, so we must act fast. You can voice your support for these closures by sending an email to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife Commission here:

Odfw.commission@state.or.us.

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877247
05/19/20 08:55 PM
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Thanx will do


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877252
05/19/20 08:56 PM
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Done! See the thread pinned to the top also.


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877254
05/19/20 08:57 PM
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God promised he would never flood the earth again so they could never ban beaver trapping!

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877298
05/19/20 09:44 PM
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To whom it may concern,

Animal rights groups want you to incorrectly believe that a complete ban on beaver trapping on all National Forest and other public lands will singlehandedly and miraculously correct the multidimensional issues facing Coho Salmon populations in Oregon and across the west. I wish to firmly voice my respectful disagreement with the proposal to ban beaver trapping, using the support of scientific evidence, and recommend that you vote against banning beaver trapping in any area.

Beaver trapping is a regulated activity in Oregon which already allows for the scientific management of this keystone species by Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

One only needs to look south to California to see that trapping bans will NOT correct Coho Salmon populations. For example, a 1998 ballot initiative in California banned leg-hold traps, conibear traps, and snares; thereby virtually eliminating the primary methods for beaver trapping. Yet, after 1998, scientific analysis of Coho Salmon populations across California reveals that their numbers did not miraculously or dramatically increase as a result of California's trap bans.

Therefore, scientific analysis of data available to date does NOT support an all-out beaver trapping ban to protect Coho Salmon populations. Please vote against banning beaver trapping, as trapping is already a regulated activity in the great state of Oregon. The bottom line is this: the push to ban beaver trapping is an animal rights initiative, not an environmental initiative.

Respectfully,
Please copy and send in to help our fight against the anti's.

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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877328
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Thanks for posting! I sent a email a week ago... They'll always try to find an angle to further their agenda of ending what we do

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877377
05/19/20 11:35 PM
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Email sent from the last thread on this subject. I started trapping not long ago yet canít imagine it being shut down in Oregon...or any where else for that matter. Iím sorry you folks are having to deal with this and likely have to again and again. From my point of view having lived in Oregon for 35 years, the state needs a massive political cleansing not to meantion cleaning up the other riff raff that now plagues certain areas.


Just gonna send it...
Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877408
05/20/20 12:27 AM
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So I guess the roughly 2/3rds of the state that is upstream of Billy Chinook on the Deschutes; and everything that is upstream of HÄlls Canyon Dam; and everything in the high desert that either doesnít drain out of state or goes to Nevada; or the entire Klamath basin; or any area in a Cascade or Coastal drainage that is upstream of a dam with no fish passage should all have beaver trapping banned to protect Coho? Those areas either never had Coho or they are now cut off from anadromous access. So Coho couldnít get there to spawn if they wanted to, but I guess we better protect the beaver to protect the Coho that arenít/never were/cannot access in most of the state?

Not to mention there are plenty of National Forest areas that donít allow beaver trapping in the current regulations. Surprisingly, those areas arenít teaming with Coho.

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877420
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Rockcrick you should put a stamp on that and mail it in!


Just gonna send it...
Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: Wylee] #6877424
05/20/20 01:10 AM
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I agree with Wylee... Rockcrick, please put that in an email to them. Those are very good points that need to be brought to their attention, and others here should emphasize those points to them too, please.


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: dirtydogtrapping] #6877491
05/20/20 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydogtrapping
To whom it may concern,

Animal rights groups want you to incorrectly believe that a complete ban on beaver trapping on all National Forest and other public lands will singlehandedly and miraculously correct the multidimensional issues facing Coho Salmon populations in Oregon and across the west. I wish to firmly voice my respectful disagreement with the proposal to ban beaver trapping, using the support of scientific evidence, and recommend that you vote against banning beaver trapping in any area.

Beaver trapping is a regulated activity in Oregon which already allows for the scientific management of this keystone species by Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

One only needs to look south to California to see that trapping bans will NOT correct Coho Salmon populations. For example, a 1998 ballot initiative in California banned leg-hold traps, conibear traps, and snares; thereby virtually eliminating the primary methods for beaver trapping. Yet, after 1998, scientific analysis of Coho Salmon populations across California reveals that their numbers did not miraculously or dramatically increase as a result of California's trap bans.

Therefore, scientific analysis of data available to date does NOT support an all-out beaver trapping ban to protect Coho Salmon populations. Please vote against banning beaver trapping, as trapping is already a regulated activity in the great state of Oregon. The bottom line is this: the push to ban beaver trapping is an animal rights initiative, not an environmental initiative.

Respectfully,
Please copy and send in to help our fight against the anti's.

Sent!

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877497
05/20/20 07:41 AM
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I sent it out yesterday and got a reply will forward it they stated.


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877504
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I did not read all the post above. Why do you want to band beaver trapping?


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: Wylee] #6877549
05/20/20 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylee
Rockcrick you should put a stamp on that and mail it in!


Lol, Iíll be drafting a letter but just couldnít resist a rant last night. I could go on all day how this is the most asinine proposal that the anti groups have ever put out in Oregon and theyíve had some really doozies.

The bottom line is that this isnít about Coho, itís about making headway on their anti trapping agenda. If it was about Coho theyíd be advocating for dam removal or fish passage construction at existing dams so Coho could access the thousands of miles of stream habitat that is blocked off by the hundreds of dams in the state. Theyíd be advocating for commercial ocean fishing restrictions. If they really wanted to help Coho they should be paying trappers to live catch beavers and relocate them to Coho habitats. Theyíd be paying timber companies to
leave larger stream buffers on logging sites and then paying for willow plantings on those streams. Theyíd be advocating for more sea lion removal. Theyíd be advocating for more Coho reintroduction programs to seed streams that donít have any Coho. Those are what a true conservation group would do to help Coho, but again this isnít about Coho and it never was.

I am still trying to figure out why Washington and California donít have bountiful Coho populations since they have both restricted trapping for over two decades. Itís almost like dams, habitat destruction, sea lions, poor ocean conditions (food for Coho) and ocean commercial fishing is having a greater effect than a few beaver being trapped in public land. Why not ban beaver trapping statewide to save the Coho? Of course not, their previous anti trapping proposal a few years back was dead in the water when polling indicated it infringed on private property rights too much. And finally, with all of the beaver trapping that occurred in the 1800s, far more than today, why werenít Coho wiped out then? Oh, none of the other factors negatively impacting salmon existed back then? Itís almost like beaver trapping isnít the issue here...

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877649
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What is their angle on this? Why does beaver trapping supposedly adversely affect salmon populations? I would think the opposite would be true. Don't beaver dams hinder the spawn.

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877682
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Beaver dams slow current and create rearing ponds for smolt.


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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: BvrRetriever] #6877693
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In a nutshell, The argument is that beaver ponds create juvenile Coho habitat before they migrate to the ocean. There is some science behind the concept that Coho do better over the long term when there is beaver ponds in their juvenile habitat. However on a year to year basis beaver dams could certainly impede migration for adults. The connection between Coho and beaver is made over the course of thousands of years of evolution. Beavers can have negative impacts on a year to year basis since they could impede migration and add a ton of silt to spawning gravels when a dam is breached during a flood event and all the silt is released. The long term positive effect is that beaver ponds grow more insects and provide deeper water for juvenile fish to overwinter and also hunker down during a flood event. I argue the point that when dealing with small populations, having an impediment like a dam to block migration will have a greater negative effect than a stream with less beaver dams where it is easier for fish to access the upper reaches where water is cooler and the spawning gravel is cleaner. Salmon canít spawn in muddy or warmer streams and they canít wait and come back next year if they canít access where they want to go. However there are way more factors having a much greater impact than a few beavers being trapped in Oregon. Iíd love to know how many are even trapped on public lands that would be considered salmon spawning habitat. Most of the anadromous streams are already closed to beaver trapping in eastern oregon on National Forest land. I would venture that very few of the actual streams that are fully dammed by beavers are actually trapped due to access and most beaver harvest occurs in irrigation ditches and lower sections of rivers where they canít build a full dam anyways. This petition is just taking a problem and inventing a solution that doesnít do anything other than make strides in an agenda. Why are concrete dams bad but beaver dams good for salmon? Iíd love for someone to ask that of the anti group for explanation in front of the commission.

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877705
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Does the state flag have a beaver on it ? Maybe that's why LOL

Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877730
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The WI state flag has a beaver on it. We get the same garbage from liberal yuppies in Madison that try and ban beaver trapping just about every year saying they create marshes needed to filter water or something like that. Usually passes in our spring hearings that are open to public voting in that county.

Meanwhile APHIS kills beaver and otter hand over fist in direct competition with license buying trappers in other parts of the state in the name of preserving trout streams.

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Re: Oregon's trying to ban beaver trapping!! [Re: OregonBeaver] #6877732
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And here we pay guys 20 bucks a beaver to shoot them and provide proof with the end of the tail.

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