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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6878977
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The media motive is the same as it always has been Danny. To pander to the left's minority voting base; white man equals murdering racist, black man equals innocent victim. I doesn't matter at all what the actual circumstances are, that is almost always the narrative.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Coös] #6878979
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Originally Posted by Coös
No idea, I wasn't there. If an unarmed man on foot was messing around my property under construction and I wound up shooting him, He screwed up real, real bad. End of story.

Fixed it for ya coo coo. smile


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6878988
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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Lugnut] #6878992
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Coös
No idea, I wasn't there. If an unarmed man on foot was messing around my property under construction and I wound up shooting him, I screwed up real, real bad. End of story.


What if that unarmed man attacked you and attempted to take your weapon? Which is what happened in this case. Maybe you should gather a little basic information before commenting? Are you aware there is a video of the shooting?


I am aware of the details of the case and stand by my comments.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6878999
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I have a couple issues with this whole thing.

I want to know what happened in front of the truck that it escalated to him being allowed to get close enough to grab the gun. From the video the guy in the back of the truck was riding in the bed with his gun drawn.
The son with the shotgun shot a couple times, then proceeded to punch him in the head.
How long did they chase him.
Was the guy who videoed it also part of the "posse"? He followed them for a while.
Did they call the police at any time during the "chase".
Apparently there's even more video out there that they haven't released.
The shootee did have a checkered past. Does that automatically make him guilty of what they were chasing him for?

To answer your question though BOCO, Yes in certain states citizens can make citizens arrests. From what I understand it's a real pain in the butt afterwards. It's just easier to call the cops then keep an eye on the person you're concerned about.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879024
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easier to call the cops then keep an eye on the person you're concerned about.


My wife was in the local convenience store gas station a couple years ago when a guy drove off without paying. she followed him in her car and had the sherriffs dept on the phone. She argued with them for ten minutes telling them where the guy was. THEY REFUSED TO SEND A CAR. Told her repeatedly to quit following. So finally she did. When LE refuses to do anything then I say you dont have too many options. Let somebody steal from you or do things yourself. Its one of the reasons we have jurys.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879043
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What gets me about this story is the dead guy wearing shorts and a t shirt. it was pretty clear had not stolen anything so why confront him???????????? Lots of really dumb people in the same time and place


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879045
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Danny. Most every gas station refuses to press charges on said "drive offs". They refer them to their "civil litigation teams" as it's been deemed "Civil" by the courts in many situations (and honestly there is just far more Civil punishment than Criminal punishment). The police are forbidden from getting involved in Civil law.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879047
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calvin ive known the guy that owns this one for more than 30 years. he would have "pressed charges" even though we both know charges can be "pressed" by a prosecutor regardless.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879122
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The one common thread in most of these “innocent shootings” is the “victim” would not follow simple directions resulting in the escalation of the issues into a major problem. Today every felon with a gun is turned into a victim by the MSM one way or another.


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The GBI just arrested the camera man for murder as well. I'm puzzled as either GBI is aware of something yet released or they're setting up a "let the jury figure it out" lynching.
I've yet to see anything that rises to premeditated murder. I'm even hesitant to say negligent homicide at this point.

But the mayor of Atlanta said it was so it must be.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879132
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I have too many questions on this one.It may have been innocent or the jogger may have been casing the house.He shouldn't have been trespassing.Asking for trouble.

Deciding to handle it yourself,with firearms can lead to all kinds of liability,and it did.They may have been in touch with police,the entire time or not.I haven't heard.Last I heard the videographer was also arrested.There again,was he involved with the other two?I am not sure they have released that.

So,too many questions for me to draw any conclusions but a sad situation and seems at least there was some bad judgement,all the way around.And of course,the news will make the best of it for whatever their particular agenda is.There probably is plenty of reason to keep a lot of information close the the vest till cases are built.This may get messier.Glad I was nowhere near.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: danny clifton] #6879136
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
calvin ive known the guy that owns this one for more than 30 years. he would have "pressed charges" even though we both know charges can be "pressed" by a prosecutor regardless.


Still deemed civil by most courts, Danny...and if civil, LEO has no jurisdiction. And to be clear the only one that "presses"(or files) charges are the city or county attorneys...and they normally won't touch a drive off as they are very easy to defend if some aggressive/new attorney wants to try and turn it into a criminal case. That said, As an Officer, go ahead and stop a car for a civil infraction ( a petty misdemeanor "IF" you could justify it moving into the criminal realm....and that's a big IF). Let things go bad and see where that gets you and your department (especially in todays day and age)? I guarantee that car wasn't dispatched to your wife's incident due to Department Policy....A strict "Shall Not" in most departments...which is usually directed by the city or county attorneys and or judges.

Most people don't see the huge big picture on these things. Civil law Vs Criminal law and the lawyers/ judges and case law that precede these decisions. Simply, there are a LOT of things police today would love to address out of just moral motivation but policy states you will NOT.

Sheese, wasn't all that long ago, cops shot at stolen cars that drove past them without even doing a report. They just reloaded and went onto the next call. Now most metro departments have in policy "You shall not chase a stolen vehicle" unless other serious life threatening events are known. And that's a 50k truck....No way most places will touch a $30 gas drive off.


Oh, and to be clear, I'm not saying any of these over litigated policing policies are right, or that I agree with them... Welcome to 2020.

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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879137
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On day 1 the Moms statement of “he should not of been shot it was not even a felony” said it all, it’s just a fact the guy committing a crime has more rights then a guy trying to do the right thing. Victims get paid so keep make yourself as one as quick as you can and as long as you can.

The guy attacked a guy with the shotgun and got shot is that really rocket science?


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In Georgia you can arrest someone IF you see them commit a crime. Also there is video from the owner of the house that several people had stopped and went into the house to look but that he had never had anything stolen.

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I can not fathom how lawyers could turn theft into something else. So now when I want to pay cash for gasoline I have to stand in line twice, once to hand the cashier enough money to insure I can fill up, and then again to get my change, all the while hoping the cashier doesn't just pocket my money since the cashier knows theft is no longer a crime.

I have a debit card and a credit card. I like cash. I can just open my wallet and see at a glance how much money is in there. i dont need to trust the accounting of a bank employee or that the internet isnt down where I want to buy something.

Who ever's fault it is that courts dont think theft is a criminal act anymore needs to be tarred and feathered.

No wonder L.E. has time to fine people for not wearing seatbelts. That still is a crime. Courts can make money off that sort of reprehensible behavior.


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He was spooked by a neighbor across the street yelling at him at this point he became a jogger. LOL


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A smart boy would have let himself be arrested and let the cops sort out how good or bad he was. The citizen police could certainly be found guilty of manslaughter. IMHO

Even legal in Canada


That sounds like some slave sheepish stuff right there. So you're telling me if you walk by me while I'm at the gas station and pull a gun on you and start yelling to get on the ground you're going to comply because I'm making a citizens arrest?

No wonder we're losing our rights to the politicians....we're willing to give them up too easy.


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