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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879794
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or a lawyer









Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879797
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so, James....I guess if the governors decided to punish shoplifting by cutting off the offenders hands, it would be okay; since the right against cruel and unusual punishment surely isn't absolute.

and I suppose that we could just dispense with a trial (fair or otherwise) if the governors decided that it wasn't needed because of flu season.

I see where you're coming from...


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879803
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If there is an insurrection, don't you think the governor has authority to declare martial law?

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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879804
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is there currently an insurrection?

perhaps I missed it...


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879811
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Did he order the governors to open churches, or just had the CDC classify the churches as essential?



Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6879814
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Did he order the governors to open churches, or just had the CDC classify the churches as essential?


He announced that the CDC would classify churches, synagogues and mosques as essential and urged governors to open them "right now."


Eh...wot?

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879818
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James, in his best Emily Litella voice....

"Never mind".


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Lugnut] #6879821
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Did he order the governors to open churches, or just had the CDC classify the churches as essential?


He announced that the CDC would classify churches, synagogues and mosques as essential and urged governors to open them "right now."


That doesn't sound like he over reached his authority then. No orders to try and force governors to open churches. Folks blowing this up into more than what it is. Much like the fake news folks do.



Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: white marlin] #6879824
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We have not had an in person service since March 15th. We have been offering communion packets every Sunday and Wednesday and this coming Sunday will be a parking lot service as we have a radio station we activated.
I sit on the council and we have held 3 meetings since the Safer at Home declaration was announced. Our synod statewide and nationally have taken a stance of very, very limited in person church for the next few months.
The supreme court ruling has causes some discussion as will this decision today. What I see is a real unfortunate situation as we pit congregation members against each other on what we should or should not do. Our giving has stayed at very good levels even during this shutdown. Even though many or most would greatly desire in person services in our congregation we have stayed strong in our keeping things going and keeping our building clean and ready. If forced to open we may see some real fall out which could lead to more issues than we have at the present time.

Bryce

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879827
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Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: James] #6879831
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Originally Posted by James
Every state is different. The virus has impacted states differently. The impact is not uniform across the country.

That being the case, why shouldn't the question of whether to open churches and other places with crowds be a state issue?

What happened to states' rights, you Southerners?

Jim

This southerner sees it as an individual right that no bureaucrat, whether Federal or State, has the right to infringe. It is not a right granted by either, so therefore they have no authority in the matter. If in the case of this imaginary plague governors continue to infringe on these rights, they might find out what the second amendment right was attended for.


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Trump Announces Houses of Worship are Essential

Trump announces that houses of worship are ‘essential,’ calls on governors to open them up.

President Trump on Friday announced that new Centers for Disease Control guidance will classify houses of worship as “essential,” as he called on governors to allow them to open “right now” after being closed during the coronavirus lockdowns.

Trump announced the policy for churches, synagogues and mosques, during a short briefing at the White House.

"The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now--for this weekend," Trump said. "If they don't do it, I will override the governors."

"In America, we need more prayer not less," Trump added.

It's unclear under what authority Trump has to override governors. But Trump took issue with certain businesses being open, while churches are not. Attorney General William Barr already warned last month that coronavirus restrictions by state and local government should be applied evenly and not single out religious organizations.

"Some governors have deemed the liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential," Trump said. "But have left out churches and other houses of worship. It's not right. So I'm correcting this injustice and calling houses of worship essential."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released interim guidelines Friday for communities of faith that acknowledge "millions of Americans embrace worship as an essential part of life" but also warn that "gatherings present a risk for increasing the spread of COVID-19."

The guidelines encourage the use of cloth face coverings during services, limiting the size of gatherings, social distancing during services and suspending or decreasing choirs and singing in church since "singing may contribute to transmission of COVID-19, possibly through emission of aerosols," the CDC says.

Last week the CDC released new guidelines that schools, businesses and other organizations can use as states reopen from coronavirus shutdowns. The document, however, excluded guidance for churches and faith-based groups because the White House raised concerns about the recommended restrictions, the Associated Press reported.

Cities across the country have been taking their cues from their governors on when and how to reopen. New York Gov. Cuomo's executive order still remains in effect in hard-hit New York City, officials said Friday.

"Houses of worship never closed in New York City, but have been under reasonable capacity requirements that prohibit large gatherings," said Olivia Lapeyrolerie, Mayor Bill de Blasio's deputy press secretary. "We will continue to work closely with faith leaders to ensure people can safely worship during these stressful times, but will not take any steps that could jeopardize New Yorkers' health."

The White House's Friday announcement comes after Trump has been hearing an earful from faith leaders who are unable to hold services due to coronavirus restrictions at a time when their parishioners are grappling with the crisis. Families may be grieving the loss of loved ones from the virus or struggling with job losses but unable to seek respite in their places of worship.

On Thursday, Trump had a conference call with 1,600 pastors and faith leaders from around the country, including Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. He reassured them he wants to get churches reopened. The evangelical Christian community was instrumental in supporting Trump during his 2016 White House bid and he's maintained strong ties with Christian leaders throughout his presidency.

Trump telegraphed the decision a day earlier when he announced he spoke to the CDC on finding ways to reopen houses of worship during the pandemic.

"We've got to get our churches open," Trump said Thursday.

Churches across the country had to close down due to stay-home orders necessary to stop the spread of the contagious virus. Faith leaders set up online services and families tuned in Sunday mornings from their computers at home.

Earlier in the pandemic, Trump expressed optimism that churches would be opened by Easter Sunday, April 12. But April turned out to be an extremely deadly month for the pandemic, and parishioners had to celebrate Easter from home.

Some faith leaders have argued that social distancing rules have violated First Amendment religious freedoms. Others have defied state and local rules and tried to reopen.

"The discrimination that has been occurring against churches and houses of worship has been shocking," said Kelly Shackelford, president of the First Liberty Institute, a legal organization dedicated to defending religious freedom. “We applaud the President’s strong stance today demanding that these attacks must stop and that churches and houses of worship be freed to safely open. Americans are going to malls and restaurants. They need to be able to go to their houses of worship.”

But other faith leaders warned that congregating is too dangerous right now.

“The President is wrong, plain and simple," said Rabbi Jack Moline, president of Interfaith Alliance. "...The virus does not discriminate between types of gatherings, and neither should the president ... It is completely irresponsible for the president to command a mass reopening of houses of worship. The illness and death that afflicts religious communities who follow the president's dictates will be his responsibility.”

Earlier this week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a report that showed just how quickly the virus can spread at church. The study showed that two symptomatic people who later tested positive for COVID-19 attended church events in rural Arkansas back in early March. At least 35 of 92 attendees at the events contracted the virus and three of them died. Twenty-six other people in the community with links to the church have also contracted the virus, with one person dying


"We stayed home so the virus quieted down and stopped spreading widely where it was spreading widely, but it's still out there," former CDC director Tom Frieden told Fox News Wednesday. "So anytime you have a lot of people together in an indoor space and one of them is infectious, you can have a lot of cases."


Eh...wot?

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Bruce T] #6879833
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t



that still doesn't force churches to open...it informs over-reaching governors that they should not be restricting First Amendment rights.


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Bruce T] #6879835
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t


I don't know how he can override them, unless it comes from the courts.



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Churches should be able to re-open.......as long as everyone follows the arrows on the floor they should be good to go.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
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Would anyone here seriously fill in the oval beside Joe Biden's name on a ballot? No, nobody would admit it.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t

The President can't override States rights unless he directs the DOJ to get after them for breaching the Constitution. He also can try to direct the withholding of fed dollars. I may be wrong, I was once before lol. Is what I'm saying wrong?


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Churches should be able to re-open.......as long as everyone follows the arrows on the floor they should be good to go.

So long as they point to heaven I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Would anyone here seriously fill in the oval beside Joe Biden's name on a ballot? No, nobody would admit it.

Nope

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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by Bruce T
Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t

The President can't override States rights unless he directs the DOJ to get after them for breaching the Constitution. He also can try to direct the withholding of fed dollars. I may be wrong, I was once before lol. Is what I'm saying wrong?


Well you were wrong about that redneck thing so... grin


Eh...wot?

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