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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6879853
05/22/20 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
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Trump Trump Says Places of Worship Are Essential Services
President calls on governors to let churches reopen, threatens to ‘override’ any who don’t


I don't know how he can override them, unless it comes from the courts.

Don't know.Hope its true.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879860
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I'll be going to church Sunday for the first time since March. Tenn opened back up May 1st and alot of churches began having services then but ours is just now opening.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: James] #6879866
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Originally Posted by James
What if I see fit to yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre? Or slander somebody?

The First Amendment is not a guarantee of freedom of however you want to worship, no matter how dangerous it is to others.

The amendments to the Constitution aren't absolutes. What about the churches that want to ingest peyote? Jim Jones's church?


Jim

Of course there are limits to how you can worship. Sacrificing virgins to the sun God, or honor killing women that don't marry who you want them to, should always be illegal of course. But what about meeting with 12 people in my own house to have a worship service? Where I live right now, that's against the law, and depending on how much of a fuss I made about it, could land me on jail. What about a religious institution providing it's holy books for it's attendees to read, or providing it's holy sacraments, or (think of the children!!!!) sing out loud? Again, where I live that's against the law, and could land a pastor in jail depending on how.much of a fuss they.made.

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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: RM trapper] #6879870
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Originally Posted by RM trapper
I'll be going to church Sunday for the first time since March. Tenn opened back up May 1st and alot of churches began having services then but ours is just now opening.

This will be our third service. Still only about 1/3rd of the church attending because our congregation is made up of a bunch of elderly folks. Good to be back and worship in person.


Romans 8: 38-39
Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879873
05/22/20 09:00 PM
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It's a tough issue, and I think I'll leave it to those who get paid to decide such things, i.e., the chimpanzees in the black robes.

Jim


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879875
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Loos,.........you're talking to an atheist.


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: loosegoose] #6879886
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
But what about meeting with 12 people in my own house to have a worship service? Where I live right now, that's against the law, and depending on how much of a fuss I made about it, could land me on jail.


I doubt that is true...unless your state legislature (both houses) passed a bill and the governor signed same stipulating such.

what is much more likely, is that your governor decreed (unilaterally) that you couldn't meet with more than twelve....


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: white marlin] #6879900
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by loosegoose
But what about meeting with 12 people in my own house to have a worship service? Where I live right now, that's against the law, and depending on how much of a fuss I made about it, could land me on jail.


I doubt that is true...unless your state legislature (both houses) passed a bill and the governor signed same stipulating such.

what is much more likely, is that your governor decreed (unilaterally) that you couldn't meet with more than twelve....



Governor issued a royal decree that you can't meet in groups more than 10. Churches are open, but the government doesn't consider my home a church. Even if it did, we'd still be criminals for passing around cups of grape juice and crackers. I'd agree that it's not really against any law, but cops will enforce it just the same.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: loosegoose] #6879901
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
I'd agree that it's not really against any law, but cops will enforce it just the same.


and they can be sued for violating your Civil Rights.


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Gary Benson] #6879911
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Churches should be able to re-open.......as long as everyone follows the arrows on the floor they should be good to go.


AND NO SINGING.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879951
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We can vote the overreaching sob's out for disrespecting the prez and for stomping on the constitution .


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6879995
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SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Vincenator] #6879997
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Originally Posted by Vincenator
SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown

Your right lol.


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Newt] #6880032
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Originally Posted by Vincenator
SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown



Trump has done more for this country than you ever have .


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Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Vincenator] #6880069
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Originally Posted by Vincenator
SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown

Lol.......in front of that mirror again.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: James] #6880081
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Originally Posted by James
More bluster. Trump doesn't have the authority..

You guys like show dogs, I guess. Some dogs don't hunt.

Jim


The governors never had the authority close them in the first place.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: James] #6880083
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Originally Posted by James
Someone show me what gives Trump the authority.

Jim


Maybe his oath to defend the Constitution? By slapping down a few governors he's defending 1A.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: James] #6880086
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Originally Posted by James
Thank you, loosegoose. Good post, though I think Trump's using the JD to fight for churches may itself be a violation of the First Amendment. I expect the Supreme Court might just toss this one to the states.

Of course, the courts won't have the matter settled until after the election. Canny politics, actually. Cynical, though.

Jim


Really, a classic bottom feeder ruse. Claiming to not know case law and precedent. Precedent has repeatedly held the state to the same standards as congress in regards to constitutional law.

But of course were the states allowing voluntary school prayer you would argue the complete opposite, when 1A clearly says shall not establish or prohibit.

You can't have it both ways, Karen.

Re: POTUS Churchs [Re: Vincenator] #6880088
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Originally Posted by Vincenator
SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown

Pretty sure Trump's headed down below and not up above, as you said, but then again that's not for me to judge. Man looks at outward appearances, God looks at the heart. And yeah, he's basically a moral failure. But.......that's all besides the point. You've got to be able to separate his moral failures as a person from his actions as president. He's still doing an awesome thing by pushing for churches to reopen, and if he follows through with action toward governors that resist, I'll applaud him all the more.

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Originally Posted by Vincenator
SO you think dumpy trumpy cares about any church or it parishioners ? The man is just such a moral pillar of hypocrisy and you belive him?He did say he could grab them by the "kitty" He is just pandering for votes and you are dumb enough to follow him like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff. .I guess i'm wrong and he is such a great christian. Karma is going to be a .itch, when his maker comes a calling for him there will be a express ride to the underworld and his spot will be warming up for him.And NO it wont be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).Wake up and smell the crap...Cant fix stupid frown


Dude, relax. Take deep breaths. Maybe volunteer for the Biden campaign. Now there is a moral pillar for ya.

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