Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/25/20 02:41 PM
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Been over this many times. The numbers in the US are exaggerated and they are cooking the books. A quick search for info online will explain it. exactly, why wouldn't you when the government gives you more money??? its disgusting and makes all the numbers fictitious
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/25/20 03:49 PM
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Getting There
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Stop reading the stats and you will be better off.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/25/20 09:23 PM
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Stop reading the stats and you will be better off. But uninformed. just
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 08:55 AM
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A less sinister explanation to MJ's original question.........USA has the resources to do the testing......and most other countries don't. As a percentage of the population......or using some benchmark number.....like cases per 100,000 population, USA probably has no more......perhaps even less.....than other countries. Following state's announcement that testing will be available to anybody who shows up to ask for one.......no Dr. involved........our cases locally have increased 4X is just the past week alone. But that is people testing positive......NOT people stacking up in the ICU. So more cases, or more testing to ID the cases that have been there all along?
What really matters, however, is that nobody seems to know or care what the % of population is already walking around with the antibodies......meaning they have been exposed and may have already been sick, and didn't even know it. If so, that serves the same purpose as the vaccines the world is breathlessly waiting for someone to develop. At this point in time, for public planning purposes, the antibody tests are the only ones that really matter.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 09:01 AM
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Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.
It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 09:23 AM
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Danny ,, kind my thoughts as well.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 10:19 AM
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if there ever are mandatory vaccine shots. I not trust get one, might be poison an or something to wipe out mankind. You'd better wear your mask, coonman, or the virus will take you. If you don't get the vaccine, the G-men will hold you down and inoculate you by force and throw you in a re-education camp. They'll put your traps on e-bay, and scrap your Colorado. You will be screwed, coonman !!!
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 10:43 AM
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They have the test but still no test for if you have the antibodies and are immune, Hmmmm? Sure seems like they would develop one sooner than later so they could use those that are immune to develop a vaccine more efficiently. Or am I drunk??
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 10:52 AM
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Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.
It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told. I put on a mask to go in the store the other day. Very quickly I realized the mask began to control my thoughts and actions. Then I realized the other people in the store wearing masks were in fact liberal zombies being controlled by their masks. The only people who weren't zombies were those guys who had refused to wear masks. I ripped off mask and ran out of the store, jumped in my truck and started driving as fast as I could. The masked liberal zombies were crowding into the street shooting rainbows at my truck from their fingertips...but I outmaneuvered them and sped away. Then I woke up.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:06 AM
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We are the most mobile country. Period. It is here, and we are spreading it. May not end until 70% of us are immune. That is why we need a vaccine quickly.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:17 AM
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So does anyone have statistics on the death rate do to the flu for the months of March, April and May In 2019.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:28 AM
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We dont have accurate numbers for chinese flu deaths. How can we have accurate numbers for any other cause of death?
Coos you should leave the psychedelics alone. You have already damaged your brain.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:33 AM
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Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.
It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have died from the virus. And dont tell me hundreds of countries conspired to lie.Thats a fantasy. STAY_STOP_SAVE
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Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:34 AM
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Yeah,we had one guy on here awhile back that told us",it really isn't up to you"....in regards to being told we had to wear a mask.Talk about a zombie!
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:56 AM
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Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.
It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told. NOPE Its about stopping a viral epidemic. That's all, No secret conspiricies like some of you guys imagine.. Its been slowed considerably but you keep claiming, with NO proof, that it isn't a big deal. just
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 11:57 AM
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They have the test but still no test for if you have the antibodies and are immune, Hmmmm? Sure seems like they would develop one sooner than later so they could use those that are immune to develop a vaccine more efficiently. Or am I drunk?? They do have such tests.......at least 5 of them are FDA approved.......the question is why aren't they using them? The way they ought to be using them is to do random testing of folks who are out and about on the street. Prick a finger, get a drop of blood, test it. You don't need to do everybody, only a very small sample.....like 50 out of 100,000. At least 4 to 6 weeks ago, two such tests were conducted widespread. One was from Stanford.....about 2,000 people in northern California. The other was about 3,000 people in NYC. Both showed folks walking around with antibodies were from 50X to 80X higher than known cases of folks that had tested positive for the virus itself. Knowing the % of the population that has the antibodies means everything. That is the yardstick you would use to measure where the overall population is with regards to antibodies. Antibodies are antibodies......if you get them from a vaccine or the virus itself......you get them. If the a large segment of the population has already been inoculated by the virus itself, then its time to open the gate and turns the horses loose. BTW, word came over the weekend that some states had been adding both types of tests.......virus and antibodies.....together. Two tests.....meaning two different things. That is messed up.
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 12:02 PM
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There are a number of antibody tests already available and there has been several studies published that indicate the virus is more widespread and has been here longer than the experts thought. Many people who were positive for the antibody never were sick. The death rate for those who have symptoms and test positive is extremely low.....less than 1 in one hundred confirmed with symptoms die.
If you add the antibody positive to the clinical positive, the death rate per 1,000 is extremely low...in tenths or hundredths of 1%.
The CDC has been called out for adding the clinical and antibody number together to make the total number of cases higher and make it look like it is getting worse. The more tests, the more you find so numbers go up. Stop testing or only test sick folks, numbers go down.
Figures do not lie but liars sure as heck can figure how to make it sound bad!
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 12:02 PM
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Yes sir
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Its not about safety its about compliance. It is conditioning people to think governors and presidents have the authority to suspend the constitution and create law with a declaration.
It should be very obvious to the entire world that this new disease is not nearly as dangerous as we first were told. NOPE Its about stopping a viral epidemic. That's all, No secret conspiricies like some of you guys imagine.. Its been slowed considerably but you keep claiming, with NO proof, that it isn't a big deal. just I bet they could scare a lot of people into believing that common cold could turn into a "pandemic' by next winter also Lol
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Re: Covid-19 stats are just not believable
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05/26/20 12:04 PM
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Yes sir
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There are a number of antibody tests already available and there has been several studies published that indicate the virus is more widespread and has been here longer than the experts thought. Many people who were positive for the antibody never were sick. The death rate for those who have symptoms and test positive is extremely low.....less than 1 in one hundred confirmed with symptoms die.
If you add the antibody positive to the clinical positive, the death rate per 1,000 is extremely low...in tenths or hundredths of 1%.
The CDC has been called out for adding the clinical and antibody number together to make the total number of cases higher and make it look like it is getting worse. The more tests, the more you find so numbers go up. Stop testing or only test sick folks, numbers go down.
Figures do not lie but liars sure as heck can figure how to make it sound bad! There's the truth people
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