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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: mskrtman] #6882972
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Originally Posted by mskrtman
Why do people think they should have exclusive rights to resources that are publicly owned just because they live near them. What do you think drives the economy up there in those small towns? It's the tourists spending their money at the resorts, restaurants, marinas, hardware stores etc. Not many businesses would survive if it was just the locals and their 14 fish limit, there'd be a lot less locals too, could probably have a 30 fish limit.

Are you nuts ? there wouldn't be a lot less locals, they are all transplants to begin with.


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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6882973
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Mille lacs went in the crapper after netting started, Red Lake closed walleye fishing after being netted out. There is a reason fishing is closed during the spawn.

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: walleye101] #6882974
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Originally Posted by walleye101
They are harvesting agressively on LOW and Red and those fish populations are in great shape, thriving in fact. If there is a lesson to be learned concerning Mille Lacs is that harvesting fish is good for a walleye population. The only fishery that is in the crapper is the one where they are barely harvesting any walleye. Start some aggressive harvest on Mille Lacs and watch Walleye recruitment respond.


We all know that makes waaaay too much sense for the Minnesota DNR.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Mille lacs went in the crapper after netting started, Red Lake closed walleye fishing after being netted out.


And that's where the similarities end.

Walleye fishing was closed on Red when there were too few mature females for successful reproduction. Fry stocking was needed to replace inadequate reproduction. Once spawning stock recovered to sustainable levels it was reopened, first moderate, and then gradually more aggressive harvest.

Walleye fishing was severely restricted on Mille Lacs while spawning stock was fine. There are litterally tons of mature female spawners in Mille Lacs, far more than needed for successful reproduction. Thin the adult population and reproduction and recruitment of young Walleye will improve.

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883007
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So the effect of netting had no bearing on Mille lacs, just a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
So the effect of netting had no bearing on Mille lacs, just a coincidence.


Actually yes, since the population is currently underharvested. Believe it or not, harvest can be a very effective tool for managing Walleye populations.

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883027
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Les you are starting to talk like the no freedom Dems. Take away the tourism then you wii be on the welfare train

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883039
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Really, Flipper ? It sounds like you don't know much about tourism. Up here, and most places the folks that do the actual work, live in the back lots in the trailer houses in poverty most of the time, bar tabs, owing the resort bar, seasonally employed, low wage , unemployment comp types.

Some of your most touristy areas are the poorest counties in the state . A manufacturing base is a better deal.


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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883044
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Quota for 2020 combined is about 150,000 lbs, back in the day of 10,000 boats that quota would have been met in the first few days of the season. Say what you want, netting has ruined the lake.

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: Rat Masterson] #6883074
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Quota for 2020 combined is about 150,000 lbs, back in the day of 10,000 boats that quota would have been met in the first few days of the season. Say what you want, netting has ruined the lake.


If you insist, I suppose it has, indirectly because shared management has led to the rediculous low quotas from "safe harvest estimates". The amount of Walleye harvested by netting plus angler harvest is a pittance of what this lake could support, and be much better off for it.

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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883076
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Joint management has ruined the fishery. The lake and Walleye population is fine.

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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883151
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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: Rat Masterson] #6883224
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
So how close to LOW does one have to live to fish it, 10 miles, 50? Does the same proximity rules apply to trapping as well?


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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: Teacher] #6883291
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Originally Posted by Teacher
City owned liquor stores also have either a county (Health Dept) license or a state health depart. license depending on if county has a delegation agreement with the state. OLmsted County has a delegation agreement. Most others in southern MN don’t. If they open in conflict with governors recommendation/decree to close, they risk losing their license to be open later on.

All depends on what Town and who is being paid off!


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City owned liquor stores should be abolished or at least let private companies compete on a level playing field. I don't believe Government should compete with private business let alone have an exclusive business with no competition.

Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883383
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We sold our municipal to a private party. That party is afraid to open because they are licensed by the state.

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Re: Tim Jong Walz yields to Trump [Re: T-Rex] #6883402
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And speaking of Dept of Health... Ours is led by Jan Malcolm. She has a BS in Philosophy, and Psychology.. Not even a Masters, that I could find, let alone an MD. She is nothing but a political administrator.


True, but to listen to her, you'd think she was an expert in the field of contagious diseases when nothing could be farther from the truth. I think Walz relies and acts on her information.


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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
So the effect of netting had no bearing on Mille lacs, just a coincidence.


Actually yes, since the population is currently underharvested. Believe it or not, harvest can be a very effective tool for managing Walleye populations.


The netting has a tremendous negative effect on the lake. I've had a place on the lake for more than 20 years. The Indians net and spear during the spawn in the spawning beds. If that doesn't have any effect on fish, then why do so many lakes in MN have posted signs on them restricting boats from some areas that are spawning beds?

There are a lot of walleyes in MilleLacs, but the majority of them are large females. Not that many of the smaller males. The DNR even attests to that.

The problem with MilleLacs is two fold. The netting in the spawning beds during the spawn by the Indians. And poor management practices by the MN Fisheries Division.


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The problem with MilleLacs is two fold. The netting in the spawning beds during the spawn by the Indians.


How many pounds do they take on an average year?

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Trapper 7 and gman,
I am not condoning netting walleye on the spawning beds, and understand your frustration observing that activity while open water anglers cannot even harvest a fish. Netting during the spawn is a social/ethical issue but is not the biological problem on Mille Lacs. It would be a problem is spawning stock was low and fry production was limited, but that is not the case. Wild fry production is through the roof on Mill Lacs and has been for multiple fry estimates spanning a number of recent years. These estimates are not slightly high, but 20-30 times the fry densities needed for good walleye production, yet these year classes consistently fail. Those extremely high fry densities are a clear indication that spawning stock is much higher than needed.This method of quantifying spawner abundance and spawning success is completely independent from other estimates of abundance such as gill net catch rates or population modeling, and is consistent with angler observations of high abundance of large fish. So, given the current spawner abundance, the Band harvesting their fish during the spawning period is not significantly reducing egg or fry production.

So why do these year classes consistently fail in spite of high fry production? Density suppression and carrying capacity. High densities of large fish will suppress recruitment of new young fish.

I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding and accepting the basic biological principle of density suppression.
Why do ranchers only graze so many cattle on a given tract of land? Why not just double the number and make more money? Carrying capacity.
Why don't farmers just plant 2-3 times more corn per acre and double or tripple their profits? Carrying capacity.
What happens when fur bearer abundance gets to high, above carrying capacity? Density suppression, disease, starvaion, reduced litter size, etc.
The priciples of carrying capacity and density suppression apply to fish populations as well.

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