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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883448
05/27/20 02:00 PM
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Watch the video again,
and try your best to imagine it is your 20 year old son being kneeled upon because they made some bad life choices. I did that as I have a 14 yr old and 16 yr old boy who will surely make some bad choices coming up in life like I did.

If you don't see it as excessive then you are seriously letting your biases cloud your perception of what should be acceptable.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883464
05/27/20 02:28 PM
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I know lots of people, myself included who avoid these kinds of situations by not breaking the law.

You make your own luck in this life.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: rvsask] #6883465
05/27/20 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Watch the video again,
and try your best to imagine it is your 20 year old son being kneeled upon because they made some bad life choices. I did that as I have a 14 yr old and 16 yr old boy who will surely make some bad choices coming up in life like I did.

If you don't see it as excessive then you are seriously letting your biases cloud your perception of what should be acceptable.


George Floyd was a 46 year old bouncer and former bodyguard for a rapper, who got paid to hurt people for a living, not a naive 20 year old. I have little sympathy for criminals who get harmed or killed after fighting police. Parents should teach their children not to commit crime and fight police.

I think Floyd could have been better restrained. How should the police restrain someone who while cuffed, is violently thrashing around?

Keith

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: KeithC] #6883478
05/27/20 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by MnMan
Well, I don't know all of the circumstances here but I have a hard time understanding why the 4 officers did not put him into the back of the squad as soon as he was cuffed even though he was resisting. No human should have been treated the way he was in my opinion. The cause of death sure could have been something other than the knee on the neck but I'm pretty sure that the treatment he got was instrumental in his death. The liquid flowing from under the squad was where he peed himself I think.


Even when cuffed, an agitated individual can do massive damage to a police car and seriously hurt themselves in the process. Many police cars have had their windows kicked out by people in handcuffs. Many drugged and insane people in handcuffs have smashed their heads and faces into the windows and bars in police cars cutting and bruising themselves badly and in a few cases killing themselves.

I watched a tiny, stoned, female college student, at the University of Dayton kick the window out of the window out of a police cruiser and then badly cut herself, trying to squirm out, feet first. She smashed her face up too.

Keith



True, but wouldn't he have to be put back there eventually if he had not died first? If he could be restrained by sitting on him with hands in pockets I would have thought he would have been eligible for a ride in the squad. I'm not defending the victim but think what I was allowed to see represented excessive force.


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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883485
05/27/20 03:04 PM
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People, even drugged and insane people, burn off their energy struggling and get docile, fairly quickly and then can be transported much more safely.

Unless they have been physically training hard and long, most people can't fight hard for more than a few minutes. The adrenaline burns up and they crash, like you turned off a switch. That's why the best way to win a fight is to hurt your opponent as soon as possible. Most people, once hurt, are done.

The way Floyd was struggling, instead of relaxing, while being restrained, showed he had more fight in him.

I suspect there was one heck of a fight before the videos were shown.

Keith

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: KeithC] #6883486
05/27/20 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by rvsask
Watch the video again,
and try your best to imagine it is your 20 year old son being kneeled upon because they made some bad life choices. I did that as I have a 14 yr old and 16 yr old boy who will surely make some bad choices coming up in life like I did.

If you don't see it as excessive then you are seriously letting your biases cloud your perception of what should be acceptable.


George Floyd was a 46 year old bouncer and former bodyguard for a rapper, who got paid to hurt people for a living, not a naive 20 year old. I have little sympathy for criminals who get harmed or killed after fighting police. Parents should teach their children not to commit crime and fight police.

I think Floyd could have been better restrained. How should the police restrain someone who while cuffed, is violently thrashing around?

Keith


A tazer maybe???? With 4 cops there, they must have had a couple of tazers.


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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Trapper7] #6883493
05/27/20 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
A tazer maybe???? With 4 cops there, they must have had a couple of tazers.


If the police officers tazed a handcuffed, black man, even though he was still struggling, there would be a tremendous amount of pressure to fire them. Sadly, a tazer would of worked well. Floyd would have been worn out, not seriously harmed and safely transported to jail. The problem is that people who have never been in that situation, who don't understand, think their inexperienced view point is just as valid and there is more inexperienced people than knowledgeable ones.

Keith

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Boco] #6883494
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Yep,it's all the cops fault because the good reverend Al Sharpton says so. He ain't never wrong when it comes to cops whuppin up on fine upstanding black folks.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: rvsask] #6883506
05/27/20 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Watch the video again,
and try your best to imagine it is your 20 year old son being kneeled upon because they made some bad life choices. I did that as I have a 14 yr old and 16 yr old boy who will surely make some bad choices coming up in life like I did.

If you don't see it as excessive then you are seriously letting your biases cloud your perception of what should be acceptable.


I don't see any of my family putting themselves in that position, sorry. We've always obeyed police. (Raised cain, yep. Been hauled to jail myself, but never fought with them. That's asking for trouble.)

I don't like the ones to the neck either, but I guess it's safer than a knee in the middle of the back like they use to do.

Was this guy a spitter?

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: KeithC] #6883528
05/27/20 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC


I think Floyd could have been better restrained. How should the police restrain someone who while cuffed, is violently thrashing around?

Keith


If the person is a danger to themselves or others, call the paramedic to put in a needle of Ketamine. Nighty-night bad guy. See you when you wake up.


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None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Michigander] #6883538
05/27/20 04:34 PM
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You're right Michigander. It was excessive and unnecessary police brutality resulting in the death of a human being all over a questionable twenty dollar bill.

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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883543
05/27/20 04:43 PM
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this is pretty Bad- no more threat and yet still did what they did.

a very simple, easy solution to stop the bad cop mentality. Have them personally responsible for there actions, quit letting the tax payers pay there wrong doings.

you and I are all held liable for our wrong doings, Make the LEO's accountable the same way- they do this because they know that any repercussion that comes out of it, we the tax payers flip the bill, they get a paid leave and lay low until the next time--

I dare any law maker to push a bill thru . it would change the LEOs ego pretty quick I'm sure

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883547
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Right-cops shouldnt be allowed to arrest people.Cops arresting criminals makes the snowflakes have a nervous breakdown-how horrible.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: 2020] #6883557
05/27/20 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2020
this is pretty Bad- no more threat and yet still did what they did.

a very simple, easy solution to stop the bad cop mentality. Have them personally responsible for there actions, quit letting the tax payers pay there wrong doings.

you and I are all held liable for our wrong doings, Make the LEO's accountable the same way- they do this because they know that any repercussion that comes out of it, we the tax payers flip the bill, they get a paid leave and lay low until the next time--

I dare any law maker to push a bill thru . it would change the LEOs ego pretty quick I'm sure



Youre right. There wouldnt be any egos because there wouldnt be any LEO.

How much money would it take for you to deal with unstable, unpredictable people regardless of what is making them that way, that have the power to decide if you were being out of line with them and possibly send you to jail or bankruptcy?


"Forgiveness".......because there is no Time Machine.

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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883559
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Right-cops shouldnt be allowed to arrest people.Cops arresting criminals makes the snowflakes have a nervous breakdown-how horrible.


your Right, what was I thinking, my bad-

Maybe just let all LEO's kill everyone they feel like it, regardless of the crime,but a crime regardless, eliminating all of our civil rights in the process, maybe just shoot everyone over a speeding ticket, that would make everyone slow down. I'm guessing...

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883561
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I know,they could all be trained in psychology and talk nice to them like Dr.Phil.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883563
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I haven't watched the video, not going to. Hard to know what really happened to anyone not there. Those guys have a tough job and I doubt I would make the right call, but it seems like there were safer options at their disposal.

Been enough of the kids with squirt guns getting shot by cops kind of thing that some people just aren't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in these circumstances. Glad it's not my job, and glad I don't mess around with lawbreaking.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883565
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One benefit of arming everyone is there won't be anymore news stories about cops killing unarmed black men, unless they forget their guns at home.

Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: 2020] #6883568
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Originally Posted by 2020
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Right-cops shouldnt be allowed to arrest people.Cops arresting criminals makes the snowflakes have a nervous breakdown-how horrible.


your Right, what was I thinking, my bad-

Maybe just let all LEO's kill everyone they feel like it, regardless of the crime,but a crime regardless, eliminating all of our civil rights in the process, maybe just shoot everyone over a speeding ticket, that would make everyone slow down. I'm guessing...



Speed off when you get stopped or jump out of your car and start fighting with them and you might get your wish. lol


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Re: Minneapolis cops fired [Re: Miley] #6883572
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Can't believe there are so many on here that would turn a blind eye to a crime committed whether it was 20 or 100 dollar bill!
I'll pat every cop on the back that is willing to enforce crime and encourage the victims to prosecute. Evidently many here haven't been victimized with break ins and stolen property.
Perhaps California is better suited for those. You can shoplift up to 900 dollars and not worry about jail time. Sickening

As far as the cops in this case, from what I saw they indeed went overboard.But I will let the courts decide that. It must of been quite a tussle to have to bring that guy to the ground to initiate the knee.

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